View Poll Results: Who should has the job of World Police?

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  • America is the world's remaining superpower. It's our job.

    8 18.18%
  • Let Russia become the new world police

    1 2.27%
  • China as the most people so it should be their job

    1 2.27%
  • Regional associations deal with regional matters; the Arab League, NAFTA, NATO.

    8 18.18%
  • The UN with its own standing military, of which America also subjected to.

    8 18.18%
  • Other

    18 40.91%
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    Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    There's a lot of sentiment lately over scaling back America's role outside of our own borders. The position of "global beacon of democracy," "the world's only remaining superpower," etc., etc., comes with what some consider to be a duty to therest of the world that includes being the world's police in the most extreme cases of state sponsored terror. Some accept tgat we have that as part of who we are. Others think only if and when we get a consensus and cooperation from most other governments albeit with our leadership. Others still take the position that its not our concern when atrocities occur outside of the United States. Nature hates a vacuum however and if we turn our backs on the role of global peacekeepers I wonder is the isolationists has considered that and if so do they have a preference on how the world community should respond to atrocities.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    There's a lot of sentiment lately over scaling back America's role outside of our own borders. The position of "global beacon of democracy," "the world's only remaining superpower," etc., etc., comes with what some consider to be a duty to therest of the world that includes being the world's police in the most extreme cases of state sponsored terror. Some accept tgat we have that as part of who we are. Others think only if and when we get a consensus and cooperation from most other governments albeit with our leadership. Others still take the position that its not our concern when atrocities occur outside of the United States. Nature hates a vacuum however and if we turn our backs on the role of global peacekeepers I wonder is the isolationists has considered that and if so do they have a preference on how the world community should respond to atrocities.
    Excuse me, but where is the "NO ONE" option? In my opinion NO ONE has the right to be the "world's policeman." Since OTHER is a B/S choice, and none of the rest qualify, I did not vote.

    P.S. It is not "isolationist" to respect the sovereignty of other nations and demand they respect OUR sovereignty. We can make our own alliances and deal with our own interests without outside interference.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    None of the above. We should act when our own vital national interests are at stake, and otherwise let the rest of the world take care of itself.


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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    my opinion :

    we cover the Americas, China deals with Asia, and Saudi Arabia handles the Middle East. we maintain our alliance with Israel.

    if we're to be global cop, there needs to be a global tax to pay for it. even if there were, though, i still wouldn't support it.

    also, any police action needs to be met with wartime tax rates at home. we can't afford to put another one on the credit card, and also, shared sacrifice. all tax brackets should go up significantly until the mission is complete.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    my opinion :

    we cover the Americas, China deals with Asia, and Saudi Arabia handles the Middle East. we maintain our alliance with Israel.

    if we're to be global cop, there needs to be a global tax to pay for it. even if there were, though, i still wouldn't support it.

    also, any police action needs to be met with wartime tax rates at home. we can't afford to put another one on the credit card, and also, shared sacrifice. all tax brackets should go up significantly until the mission is complete.
    All good reasons to decline the job, and not let anyone else do it either.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    The problem with any nation being (acting as?) world police requires two missing things: world law and a world court.

    While we can, indeed, "feel good" by trying to use our military might tp help those elsewhere in the world, we must first carefully examine and determine just what exactly defines when, where and how that is to be done. While things are "very bad" in Syria, and I do not doubt that they are, they were far worse in places like the Congo (formerly Zaire) yet we did not respond with our military might.

    IMHO, in matters concerning U.S. foreign policy, and especially the use of the U.S. military might, it is best to maintain a "just us" system based on our legitimate self defense than to attempt to invent and then implement some bizarre unilateral world justice system based upon the personal wishes of our current president and their political pull in congress.

    Another basic question is why should the single most powerful nation (currently the U.S.) become the defacto king (dictator?) of the world?

    In a list of the worst recent (last 100 years?) acts of genocide just where would you rank Assad/Syria?

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    There's a lot of sentiment lately over scaling back America's role outside of our own borders. The position of "global beacon of democracy," "the world's only remaining superpower," etc., etc., comes with what some consider to be a duty to therest of the world that includes being the world's police in the most extreme cases of state sponsored terror. Some accept tgat we have that as part of who we are. Others think only if and when we get a consensus and cooperation from most other governments albeit with our leadership. Others still take the position that its not our concern when atrocities occur outside of the United States. Nature hates a vacuum however and if we turn our backs on the role of global peacekeepers I wonder is the isolationists has considered that and if so do they have a preference on how the world community should respond to atrocities.
    Democratic hegemony is very important. I believe the United States with a concert of allies should do it's best to ensure the spread of liberalism and democracy and enforce international order. I remain an avowed believer in democratic peace theory and hope for the day when at last China and Russia adopt a liberal democratic regime of government and fully join the community of nations. When that day comes the world will have become a much more cooperative and peaceful place as it already has when compared to where we were a century ago. It is in our interests to fight for this future, ensure international stability, and prevent the globe from being molded by our autocratic opponents.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    None of the above. We should act when our own vital national interests are at stake, and otherwise let the rest of the world take care of itself.


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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Nobody can police the world and this country has gone broke trying, the loss of blood and treasure we have suffered is just not acceptable.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The problem with any nation being (acting as?) world police requires two missing things: world law and a world court.

    While we can, indeed, "feel good" by trying to use our military might tp help those elsewhere in the world, we must first carefully examine and determine just what exactly defines when, where and how that is to be done. While things are "very bad" in Syria, and I do not doubt that they are, they were far worse in places like the Congo (formerly Zaire) yet we did not respond with our military might.

    IMHO, in matters concerning U.S. foreign policy, and especially the use of the U.S. military might, it is best to maintain a "just us" system based on our legitimate self defense than to attempt to invent and then implement some bizarre unilateral world justice system based upon the personal wishes of our current president and their political pull in congress.

    Another basic question is why should the single most powerful nation (currently the U.S.) become the defacto king (dictator?) of the world?

    In a list of the worst recent (last 100 years?) acts of genocide just where would you rank Assad/Syria?

    History of the Conflict

    Genocide And War Crimes - Never Again | The World's Most Wanted Man | FRONTLINE | PBS

    What Is Genocide? — History.com Articles, Video, Pictures and Facts

    The worst genocides of the 20th and 21st Century
    I've always been puzzled by this standard. "We should not intervene in Y because X is worse." Because invariably the question you have to be asked is "Alright, well do you support intervening in X?" Usually the answer is a solid no. We do not live in a theoretical world and a million and one variables stand in the way of an intervention coming about. Would I personally support greater US involvement in the Congo? Yes I would. But that is an implausible objective at present. Syria is not and the fact that people are suffering in Goma or Kivu does not diminish the suffering of people suffering in Idlib or Hama.

    On a secondary note... why is it so terrible to erect a 'unilateral' form of justice? The standards we've set are by and large liberal ones agreed upon by most of the worlds democracies if not all of them. The application of force may not be universally agreed upon, but certainly the standards of behavior are fairly uniform. It does not overly bother me that the United States in concert with her democratic allies of the moment take action when action needs to be taken. Why should I care what the authoritarian strongman in Moscow or the autocratic gang in Beijing thinks about what we do aside from the practical impact? Morally I don't care at all. We talk about the UN and the UNSC and global bodies of approval but at the end of the day how many of these interventions are only stymied by these authoritarian states? Most of them. I'm quite alright with trusting ours and our allies moral compasses (but especially ours) and forging ahead without them.

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