View Poll Results: Who should has the job of World Police?

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  • America is the world's remaining superpower. It's our job.

    8 18.18%
  • Let Russia become the new world police

    1 2.27%
  • China as the most people so it should be their job

    1 2.27%
  • Regional associations deal with regional matters; the Arab League, NAFTA, NATO.

    8 18.18%
  • The UN with its own standing military, of which America also subjected to.

    8 18.18%
  • Other

    18 40.91%
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I have said all this before...
    Move the UN to Jerusalem - where the action is...or as close as possible...
    Give the UN authority to save lives, to intervene as necessary..
    Now, the UN does nothing - or so it seems...
    why ?
    You mean UN Protection Troops like UNPROFOR or so?
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Anyway, back to votes. This was a good read thread.

    I voted for Other because I believe in NATO and I think there it is where USA should be the leading superpower. There the USA can play the cop, there the role of the cop is taxed, judged, etc. Nothing new in this, but this is how it worked for us and I think it is the best option.

    Being a sole Superpower cop requires a judge and someone has to pay for the involvement? Next thing you would hear from this would be a Russian model and then there is less fun with that.

    I did not choose the UN for it is pretty much useless when it comes to interventions. The dictator knows a permanent member in the UN one way or another and relies on their veto towards intervention.

    I would have went for NATO option, but it was categorized under "regional matters." I think NATO should go global. I think they should win attitudes with media in UN and get the green card for intervention.

    Basically the working model that we have. It is sometimes fast (Dardania), sometimes slow (Bosnia), sometimes works (Dardania, Bosnia, Egypt, Afghanistan), sometimes it does not (Syria, for now). But I see it as a global parliament where media is the first ground, then comes military, and liberation.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Given the phrasing of the poll, I had to vote other.

    The US is the sole real global superpower and this is a good thing. But no country should try to police the whole world. And the UN even less so.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Errr... We fought, it is not that we did not, but, our enemies had higher military equipment? Perhaps with more time and more bloodshed the regrouping and strong posts might have been brought down one by one. But it was way more easier to force Serbs into groups with ground troops and have you blow them to bits later:



    Also you were equalizing their military advantages by bringing them to a more managable level by blowing oil supplies, bridges, and other critical areas. Without Serbian tanks, artillery, they were more of a match then.
    Perhaps, but my point in that comment was (if you recall the major difference) that the USA went into Kosovo under the NATO treaty. We are member partners in NATO and obligated to honor our treaty requirements. There was also UN support for the action.

    We have no such obligation in Syria.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Perhaps, but my point in that comment was (if you recall the major difference) that the USA went into Kosovo under the NATO treaty. We are member partners in NATO and obligated to honor our treaty requirements. There was also UN support for the action.

    We have no such obligation in Syria.
    You lead NATO though. Also how much "support" there was from UN is questionable when the permanent members of UN such as Russia and China did not vote for NATO intervention. They abstained instead.

    Now they abstained not because they became aware of atrocities here through media. Russia and China know of atrocities and fully support dictators that conduct them nevertheless. That is how they operate!

    They abstained because the evidence of atrocities became undeniable due to OSCE findings of genocide. More like what the UN inspectors were in Syria for. Then the media front was wan from USA and allies, and Russia and China still supported criminals by not giving in to allies demands with a vote, but chose the neutral path instead of abstaining.

    At present I would not mind USA to be the cop and I have told you this before. But looking at how Americans themselves are not certain for the role (and it takes all the certainty available for the role), as well as the risk of turning a bad cop for one reason or another in the future, I too think that it may be best left as it is. See my post above.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    You lead NATO though. Also how much "support" there was from UN is questionable when the permanent members of UN such as Russia and China did not vote for NATO intervention. They abstained instead.

    Now they abstained not because they became aware of atrocities here through media. Russia and China know of atrocities and fully support dictators that conduct them nevertheless. That is how they operate!

    They abstained because the evidence of atrocities became undeniable due to OSCE findings of genocide. More like what the UN inspectors were in Syria for. Then the media front was wan from USA and allies, and Russia and China still supported criminals by not giving in to allies demands with a vote, but chose the neutral path instead of abstaining.

    At present I would not mind USA to be the cop and I have told you this before. But looking at how Americans themselves are not certain for the role (and it takes all the certainty available for the role), as well as the risk of turning a bad cop for one reason or another in the future, I too think that it may be best left as it is. See my post above.
    I'm sure YOU wouldn't mind, because it is NOT YOU DOING THE FIGHTING OR TAKING THE HEAT AFTERWARDS!

    I get fairly sick and tired of people who think war is some some sort of entertainment or fantasy game. Soldiers risk their lives, innocent civilians of all ages are killed. Yet arm chair generals rattle on and on about "national interests" and "moral right."

    I call B/S!!! If you want to fight, get armed up and go do it yourself for a change. The armed forces of a nation should only be involved when it is TRULY an issue of the safety and security of their nation. That means a clear and identifiable threat directly aimed at that nation. No soldier, sailor, marine or airman needs to die or become disabled simply in order to to serve as some demonstration of a politician's resolve.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I'm sure YOU wouldn't mind, because it is NOT YOU DOING THE FIGHTING OR TAKING THE HEAT AFTERWARDS!
    Hey pall, it is YOUR fellow Americans that are proposing this concept about YOUR countries role?! I am not telling you to be a cop, fight for other countries, take the heat, and to hell with you afterwards, am I? You are proposing and I am only giving an opinion about what YOU want to do!!

    What the heck do you want me to do about it anyway? Take to the streets and protest pro or against USA being a world cop?!

    I said if you want the role I would not mind at present. If not then the present NATO treaty model seems to be working well also!

    Make up your minds and mind the CAPS!!
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    There's a lot of sentiment lately over scaling back America's role outside of our own borders. The position of "global beacon of democracy," "the world's only remaining superpower," etc., etc., comes with what some consider to be a duty to therest of the world that includes being the world's police in the most extreme cases of state sponsored terror. Some accept tgat we have that as part of who we are. Others think only if and when we get a consensus and cooperation from most other governments albeit with our leadership. Others still take the position that its not our concern when atrocities occur outside of the United States. Nature hates a vacuum however and if we turn our backs on the role of global peacekeepers I wonder is the isolationists has considered that and if so do they have a preference on how the world community should respond to atrocities.
    All true. But I think, it might be interesting to look at the question in a different light.

    Relative power is shifting and the US no longer has enough treasure to ensure international security alone. This situation will grow more difficult over the next 20 years, while the US will increasingly be forced to protect its own narrowing national interests. At the end of this process there will be six or seven superpowers and a dozen or two large powers. 20 or 25 nuclear armed countries of more or less stability will complete the horror.

    This has been quite clear since the end of the Cold War (there was a lot written about this in the 90s in places like Foreign Affairs Magazine) and there were strategies developed to save us from the almost certain world war we can expect, if we let the international theater develop along those lines. The survival answers all point in the direction societies always have taken; at least those societies that survived. The installed governments and police.

    And so, how do we do this now? There are a lot of people to convince.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Hey pall, it is YOUR fellow Americans that are proposing this concept about YOUR countries role?! I am not telling you to be a cop, fight for other countries, take the heat, and to hell with you afterwards, am I? You are proposing and I am only giving an opinion about what YOU want to do!!

    What the heck do you want me to do about it anyway? Take to the streets and protest pro or against USA being a world cop?!

    I said if you want the role I would not mind at present. If not then the present NATO treaty model seems to be working well also!

    Make up your minds and mind the CAPS!!
    Hey "pal," you're not American, therefore your opinion about what "we" want to do has very little merit. In fact, it is biased because you WANT us to come in and interfere in your little dispute with the Serbs. Well, we are there and that's a done deal.

    I don't think we should be doing that sort of thing because it is not our fight and not our business. MY opinion has merit because it is MY country fighting for other people's causes and MY peers perishing or coming home disabled to satisfy armchair generals and posturing politicians. If we have a treaty obligation, or for some reason our Congress votes for war...well and good. Otherwise, people in other countries should act to settle their own differences. That's what the idea of "sovereignty" is all about.

    I don't want you to do anything about it as you can see.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Hey "pal," you're not American, therefore your opinion about what "we" want to do has very little merit.
    It may have little merit to you. But unless I see a poll that has 100% of DP users there voting that it also has little merit to everyone else, I am not buying this.

    Besides, I do not care if it happens to not have merit neither. This is a public forum. I come here for opinions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    In fact, it is biased because you WANT us to come in and interfere in your little dispute with the Serbs. Well, we are there and that's a done deal.
    Hence, I no longer want you to do that? This is not 1999, you are here, there is no dispute, not necessary to interfere with anything? If at all what I want from now on end is for us as allies to watch over one another in NATO. The usual way. That is it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I don't think we should be doing that sort of thing because it is not our fight and not our business. MY opinion has merit because it is MY country fighting for other people's causes and MY peers perishing or coming home disabled to satisfy armchair generals and posturing politicians.
    It is your country, you are fighting, your peers perishing or coming home disabled, all that to satisfy armchair generals and posturing politicians. But hey, I still give a **** like allies should. How is that?

    If you do not ever want to hear about my opinion the ignore button is right below my name. Otherwise these things interest me and I shall come for giving my opinion about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    If we have a treaty obligation, or for some reason our Congress votes for war...well and good. Otherwise, people in other countries should act to settle their own differences. That's what the idea of "sovereignty" is all about.
    Now this is your opinion. Here is my opinion what you should do about your country, your fighters, generals, and all that. See cause this is an open debate!

    If you want the job of a cop I would not mind at present. If not, the NATO treaty issue seems to be working. Take it or leave it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I don't want you to do anything about it as you can see.
    So what the heck is all this about then?
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