View Poll Results: Who should has the job of World Police?

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  • America is the world's remaining superpower. It's our job.

    8 18.18%
  • Let Russia become the new world police

    1 2.27%
  • China as the most people so it should be their job

    1 2.27%
  • Regional associations deal with regional matters; the Arab League, NAFTA, NATO.

    8 18.18%
  • The UN with its own standing military, of which America also subjected to.

    8 18.18%
  • Other

    18 40.91%
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Let somebody else work the Middle East. Too many Americans have died there already.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Let somebody else work the Middle East for awhile. Too many Americans have died there already.
    Like Russia and Iran you mean? That ain't gonna happen.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    They are at this time yes. However, that isn't in and of itself a sufficient reason for sticking our nose into every third conflict on the planet, IMO. Furthermore, I think we need to draw those horns in a little and care more about what's going on at home than halfway around the world... we have real troubles here that need to be dealt with, beams that need to be pulled before we worry about the mote in our brother's eye.
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    Well said! The fluff being passed off as "critical issues" is getting to be tiresome blah blah blah! A little less talking and a lot more getting necessary things done is necessary now! What is DC waiting for?

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It is also not unrealistic to think that more use of domestic (and Canadian) shale oil/gas (from fracking) cannot replace the 40% of our oil now obtained from OPEC.

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    I agree...sort of. The problem is how oil is sold, at least in the west. That idea sounds really good on paper but it shows there's a lot of misunderstanding out there in a country where the oil industry is not nationalized. We cannot just pump oil in the west and expect that to replace oil from the Mid East. The industry operates on a profit driven mo, as well it should.

    1. Geologists determine where in the ground is there oil.
    2. Big dollar investors or speculators buy the rights for oil from the land owners that wil be pumped out of the ground on a future date, say a one month period next year, but pays the land owners now in hopes of being able to resell it to a refinery anywhere in the workd for more than they pay for next year's drilling today. This by the way, helps to make gas mor expensive.
    3. In order to manipulate supply downward and drive up costs even more, OPEC sits on a lot of the global supply and agrees with other OPEC members to only allow so much oil to come out of OPEC countries but they also pre-sell their oil to the speculators.
    4. One the future date arrives the speculators own the oil and then resell it to the refinery that offers the most money, be it in America, China, Europe or wherever. This includes oil drilled from America. The only effect domestic drilling will have on middle eastern oil is create a greater global supply. What OPEC might do in response is figure they've got a lot of money in the bank and reduce what they allow to be pumped in order to keep prices high and decide to sell more of it in the future when it'll probably be worth more anyway. More domestic drilling will in fact be the best insurance policy the terrorists and dictators could have because as long as we're remaining totally committed to continuing the monolpy, they can be assured in the long term viability of their only natural resource. As long as we aren't picking up our marbles and going home, they get keep selling their oil too. So yes, shale and domestic drilling will add to the global oil supply, which would likely be eaten up by reducing OPEC quotas so prices will remain high, the dictators and terrorists still get money; maybe not as much but its better for them that we're in the business too rather than eliminate the need for their product. And because the Mid East will continue to be a significant player, we'd still need to subsidize the oil industry with a costly investment in military security for the region.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    No but again being realistic. I think there has been a history of America "coincidentally" dropping bombs near heads of state. If Assad is "accidentally" hit, I can't imagine that not resulting in an end to the bloodshed. In fact, I'm pretty much expecting Assad to either be killed in the US attack or his location damaged just enough to cause injury and be takes into custody by the opposition. Just watch.
    I do not think US will attack while has lost the media battle. Putin wan the media battle in this round. Whatever Assad did was hyped with US and allies media but managed to be successfully trivialized with that of Putin's.

    Assad shot schoolchildren due to grafiti, and people that went to the funeral of those shot schoolchildren, to the point that the population rebelled (USA) well those rebels eat heart and liver, and are associated with USA's enemies and terrorists (Putin). Assad ordered civilians to be gassed (USA) but there is no proof that it is Assad and maybe was the rebels killing their own to attract an intervention (Putin).

    Before the media wins over the attitudes of the masses it is unlikely that a strike will be made for it may be futile and done for the face of a president (i.e., not to bring down Assad, nor liberate, just a bit of missiling wont do much harm!). This is a game of Risk and it is exactly how we here play it. Except that these guys do it over dead people's bodies (reason why I did not do politics!).

    It is now up to the congress. If congress chooses to go ahead with it then it should with a new momentum and regain another media strike before Putin manages to trivialize it yet again. But Putin plays it smart. He could send media strikes while congress makes a decision. Namely for example that USA gassed those civilians and are now preparing for a congress approved unlawful war.

    Those would be tough grounds to conduct military strikes after! Unless refuted of course.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Ending bloodshed in the middle east and Africa is mission impossible.
    But you did it with Hunt! Three times too!
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Where would the US be right now without intervention?
    Not in the media for sure.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The simple fact of the matter is that someone is always going to be on top, and that this nation is always going to have the ability, and very likely the inclination, to exercise that power over others to some degree or another.

    Thankfully for the rest of the world, the US happens to be a rather subdued hegemon on the whole (at least in comparison to past global leaders like the Roman Empire, Spaniards, or USSR). However, we cannot really say for sure whether a world dominated by the Chinese or Russians would be similar in this regard.
    Are you kidding? I think we here switched military presence from Russian/Serbian to NATO and are at best to speak to that by experience. The first robs you of your wealth, culture, identity, language, freedom, and lastly lands (forced dislocation). It is occupation done like in Mel Gibson's "Apocalipse."

    The later mingles with our societies unwanted instead! When I say that I do not mean Serbs for then this would have been a mere switch on favoring one kind of people compared to the rest. Far from it the later imposes equality to all (including minority Serbs), law abiding, freedom to all, and democracy. We get to work our nation and be ourselves freely. So the later mingles with corruption, crime, poverty, etc.

    You decide which is better at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    All things being equal, I'd simply rather not take the risk.

    We should attempt to remain the "sole" global superpower for as long as we are able.
    All things remaining equal I think you should. I think you should so much that It is discomforting to know that it is costing you too much financially even!
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Your “endless list” is B/S. The people of Kosovo were kicking butt without our help and ...
    Errr... We fought, it is not that we did not, but, our enemies had higher military equipment? Perhaps with more time and more bloodshed the regrouping and strong posts might have been brought down one by one. But it was way more easier to force Serbs into groups with ground troops and have you blow them to bits later:



    Also you were equalizing their military advantages by bringing them to a more managable level by blowing oil supplies, bridges, and other critical areas. Without Serbian tanks, artillery, they were more of a match then.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think the Middle East is a hopeless case. I'm more hopeful Africa will become more civilized.
    Funny. My position is reversed here. Just an opinion though.
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