View Poll Results: Who should has the job of World Police?

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  • America is the world's remaining superpower. It's our job.

    8 18.18%
  • Let Russia become the new world police

    1 2.27%
  • China as the most people so it should be their job

    1 2.27%
  • Regional associations deal with regional matters; the Arab League, NAFTA, NATO.

    8 18.18%
  • The UN with its own standing military, of which America also subjected to.

    8 18.18%
  • Other

    18 40.91%
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Proves Obama has cajones. That's of the utmost importance.
    So far it only proves that Obama talks like he wishes he had them.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Proves Obama has cajones. That's of the utmost importance.
    That matters as well. If you promise a spanking then you'd better deliver one, and I'm sure that we will.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    It's an enormous portion of it. The US military and Intel budgets are nearly a trillion annually. Iraq alone cost over a trillion. Adding a trillion a year plus ongoing interest to the debt certainly isn't fixing our debt problem. Ignoring the exorbitant cost of our oversized military isn't making an honest assessment of the source of our fiscal woes.



    Further, if the law of the world is set by the US President and the US Congress, then everyone on Earth should have a vote in US elections. Otherwise, we're just a massive global oligarchy posing as a democracy.
    I should have elaborated on what I meant. For all of it's cost military expenditure is actually rather manageable. Ships can be mothballed, aircraft grounded, soldiers furloughed, look at the relative ease with which we've cut defense spending in the past 20 years (after the end of the Cold War and the recent defense cuts). Not only is it a relatively smaller part of the debt and deficit pie than our other problems, its more easily trimmed. The bigger problem is liabilities that we have little ability to curb and threaten severe future problems. When you look at our future fiscal situation it isn't defense that looms large.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'll agree that the dollar cost incurred by our military exploits are far outweighed by entitlements and debt but what about all the lives we have most and all the men that have come home blown all to Hell? Not only that but half the time when we play world cop we do more harm than good. IMO if we are not directly threatened we should stay out of it.
    Human cost is terrible, but certainly we can agree that is a separate cost. As terrible as casualties from Iraq and Afghanistan are I think it would be difficult to argue they have lead to our bankruptcy and demise as you seemed to be indicating earlier.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So far it only proves that Obama talks like he wishes he had them.
    He's in negotiations with Hillary over their whereabouts and what it may cost to ransom them.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What is the strategic value of a "limitted military action" in Syria?
    Tip the scales and make it easier for Assad to be ousted or at a minimum discourage future use of chemical munitions. On the other end, actually blow up the buying housing Assad.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Keeping Syria in a box so that its civil war doesn't cross the borders. We are also sending a message on chemical weapons, they are a no no. Slaughter is okay of course, as long as the oil still flows.
    Nonsense, it crossed into Turkey long ago. This is about oil and Israel/Iran. The only nation to have ever used nukes on another nation, is now supporting a military coup in Egypt, is supporting the worlds largest heroin producer and that zaps folks using drones in many foreign nations (that it is not at war with) is hardly in a position to talk about rules of "honest warfare" and taking the high moral ground.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    That matters as well. If you promise a spanking then you'd better deliver one, and I'm sure that we will.
    Would that we could just erase Obama's remarks. Some lessons are learned the hard way, though. Most of us share the revulsion at events over there, but the president's remarks put us in a box. Had we taken action a good while back, this might have been avoided.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Tip the scales and make it easier for Assad to be ousted or at a minimum discourage future use of chemical munitions. On the other end, actually blow up the buying housing Assad.
    So assinating foreign head's of state is technically wrong but helping others to do so (think Libya) is cool.? Is it OK if China and Russia do this too, since they are "superpowers" as well?
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Other implies a nation you did not list. NO ONE indicates a clear statement that no nation has the right to compel other nations to comply with whatever ideology the policeman feels like enforcing.
    Good points and not what I meant to imply.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather not see America in this situation but I'm just being realistic in my opinion, with respect to our economy needing the maximum level of stability in the Middle East with the most friends due to the importance oil has over our way of life. If North Korea or the Congo killed 1300 of their own citizens with chemical bombs I'd be willing to be our involvement would be limited to voting for a UN resolution condemning the tyrants. Why? North Korea and the Congo don't have any oil nor are they in the neighborhood with other countries that have oil where instability could spread. This is what we have when we let one commodity own our economic viability and refuse to support getting other options to the place of viability.
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