View Poll Results: Who should has the job of World Police?

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  • America is the world's remaining superpower. It's our job.

    8 18.18%
  • Let Russia become the new world police

    1 2.27%
  • China as the most people so it should be their job

    1 2.27%
  • Regional associations deal with regional matters; the Arab League, NAFTA, NATO.

    8 18.18%
  • The UN with its own standing military, of which America also subjected to.

    8 18.18%
  • Other

    18 40.91%
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Thread: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Define "genocide."
    The attempt to physically exterminate a whole nation or ethnic group.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    The attempt to physically exterminate a whole nation or ethnic group.
    So this does not applies to us because not the last of 2 million Albanians that live here were not killed yet right?
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    So this does not applies to us because not the last of 2 million Albanians that live here were not killed yet right?
    It doesn't apply because there never was an attempt to systematically physically exterminate all Albanians. The number of real genocides is fairly limited, but in recent times the term genocide has been devalued by its mistaken application to any large-scale killing or massacre.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    It doesn't apply because there never was an attempt to systematically physically exterminate all Albanians. The number of real genocides is fairly limited, but in recent times the term genocide has been devalued by its mistaken application to any large-scale killing or massacre.
    How about "systematic large-scale (up to 6000) killings or massacres" conducted to Albanians then? That applies yes?
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    How about "systematic large-scale (up to 6000) killings or massacres" conducted to Albanians then? That applies yes?
    Yes, just like it applies to the large scale killings and massacres conducted perpetrated by the KLA against Serbs.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Yes, just like it applies to the large scale killings and massacres conducted perpetrated by the KLA against Serbs.
    Well here is where we disagree. First of genocide as defined by the dictionary is this:

    the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.
    Since Serbia was exterminating the 6000 Albanian civilians deliberately, systematically (see organized mass graves), and massively then it follows that is was a genocide. But moving on.

    You tend to equalize mass murder of Serbs with those of Albanians? You have my sources that point out in detail how many were: displaced by force, looted, house burned, used as human shields, detained, executed, raped, stopped from receiving medical help, and had their identity cleansed.

    Could we share notes on how many Serbs received the same attitude from us please? To be specific, what I am after, and please do not dodge this, is sources where Serbs were killed systematically, deliberately by the government, at a scale of 6000. Following on this source report of yours it should also mention other human right violations as mentioned above.

    If you manage to find such a source then your equalization position that "Serbs conducted atrocities, but KLA and Albanians did also!" may be justified. Otherwise, data shows that Serbs conducted far more atrocities, were government organized, were systematic, and deliberate to the point of reaching genocide.

    This time do reply with sources. You are otherwise losing credibility with mere opinions.

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    Ethnic Cleansing in Kosovo: An Accounting

    Genocide | Define Genocide at Dictionary.com
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Well here is where we disagree. First of genocide as defined by the dictionary is this:



    Since Serbia was exterminating the 6000 Albanian civilians deliberately, systematically (see organized mass graves), and massively then it follows that is was a genocide. But moving on.

    You tend to equalize mass murder of Serbs with those of Albanians? You have my sources that point out in detail how many were: displaced by force, looted, house burned, used as human shields, detained, executed, raped, stopped from receiving medical help, and had their identity cleansed.

    Could we share notes on how many Serbs received the same attitude from us please? To be specific, what I am after, and please do not dodge this, is sources where Serbs were killed systematically, deliberately by the government, at a scale of 6000. Following on this source report of yours it should also mention other human right violations as mentioned above.

    If you manage to find such a source then your equalization position that "Serbs conducted atrocities, but KLA and Albanians did also!" may be justified. Otherwise, data shows that Serbs conducted far more atrocities, were government organized, were systematic, and deliberate to the point of reaching genocide.

    This time do reply with sources. You are otherwise losing credibility with mere opinions.

    References:

    Ethnic Cleansing in Kosovo: An Accounting

    Genocide | Define Genocide at Dictionary.com
    What you refer to as "sources" are just some internet pages. If you google a bit you can find pages about the various massacre cites were mass graves were found of the many hundreds and possible thousands of Serbs and Roma murdered by the KLA. In addition, of course between 100,000 and 200,000 Serbs were driven from Kosovo in the KLA ethnic cleansing campaign that followed the NATO-attack on Serbia.

    Calling what happened in Kosovo a genocide is to make a coplete mockery of the term. Your credibility is zero, by the way, as your bias and extremism is very obvious.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    What you refer to as "sources" are just some internet pages. If you google a bit you can find pages about the various massacre cites were mass graves were found of the many hundreds and possible thousands of Serbs and Roma murdered by the KLA. In addition, of course between 100,000 and 200,000 Serbs were driven from Kosovo in the KLA ethnic cleansing campaign that followed the NATO-attack on Serbia.

    Calling what happened in Kosovo a genocide is to make a coplete mockery of the term. Your credibility is zero, by the way, as your bias and extremism is very obvious.
    No sources but BS to backup your statements noted. You are not an adversary for a debate for me. Goes to show the degree of influence RT has on some people. It seems once they grab you they never let you go, do they?

    You are from Brussels. Why do you ignore this and favor RT?

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    No sources but BS to backup your statements noted. You are not an adversary for a debate for me. Goes to show the degree of influence RT has on some people. It seems once they grab you they never let you go, do they?

    You are from Brussels. Why do you ignore this and favor RT?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SD7sEl1d-0
    I was around when this war happened. Many mass graves of Serbs and Roma were discovered by international troops later. All this is very much in the public domain and easily available if you don't have extremist blinkers on, like you do.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    I was around when this war happened. Many mass graves of Serbs and Roma were discovered by international troops later. All this is very much in the public domain and easily available if you don't have extremist blinkers on, like you do.
    The issue is not that it did not happen. The issue quantitatively speaking is: Are the samples in comparison enough to equalize what Serbia did to us?

    BTW, should you respond with no sources and BS alone next time, please consider my lack of response to you as a sign that you are not a credible debater for me. Thank you.
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