View Poll Results: Who should has the job of World Police?

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  • America is the world's remaining superpower. It's our job.

    8 18.18%
  • Let Russia become the new world police

    1 2.27%
  • China as the most people so it should be their job

    1 2.27%
  • Regional associations deal with regional matters; the Arab League, NAFTA, NATO.

    8 18.18%
  • The UN with its own standing military, of which America also subjected to.

    8 18.18%
  • Other

    18 40.91%
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    With all due respect, but you are wrong on multiple counts.

    There was NO UN support for the NATO attack on Serbia.

    The NATO attack on Serbia also didn't fall under NATO treaty obligations. No NATO country was attacked. The fact that NATO lent its structure for this attack doesn't mean it was a NATO treaty obligation, since this was an offensive operation.
    Such a tragedy to conduct an "offensive operation" on a criminal government that was ethnically cleansing the area, is it not? Poor Serbs! They were killing children, women, elderly, so well, and in daily basis, with most evil of methods (i.e., burning alive, butchering, etc), until that meddling NATO came to intervene so offensively! What a cursed day that was, yes? Hence it should not have done that, right?
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    There isn't a world community, and the capitalists always respond by making everything worse while they make profits, as we all know.
    Tell that to the iPhone making Chinese who now have a much more viable means of putting food on their tables.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Excuse me, but where is the "NO ONE" option? In my opinion NO ONE has the right to be the "world's policeman."
    Because nature abhors a vacuum, and a world without a worlds' policeman is your neighborhood without police. The biggest, meanest gangs rule. Then they become the policement as far their power allows. The closest to "no one" is the "regional" option.

    P.S. It is not "isolationist" to respect the sovereignty of other nations and demand they respect OUR sovereignty. We can make our own alliances and deal with our own interests without outside interference.
    And what if our own interests include ensuring that the Suez Canal, Malacan Straits, and Persian Gulf remain open to our shipping? What if our interests are to maintain our nice, first-world lifestyle that is utterly dependent upon global trade which is in turn utterly dependent upon the U.S. security guarantee?

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    So what would it take to make the UN less ineffectual? As in, the US can scale back it's involvement if the UN scaled up?

    Maybe if we made a deal in which US goods are tarrif, tax, duty free in the countries we deal with, as a means of paying us back a little?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Such a tragedy to conduct an "offensive operation" on a criminal government that was ethnically cleansing the area, is it not? Poor Serbs! They were killing children, women, elderly, so well, and in daily basis, with most evil of methods (i.e., burning alive, butchering, etc), until that meddling NATO came to intervene so offensively! What a cursed day that was, yes? Hence it should not have done that, right?
    I did oppose this unprovoked attack on a country that wasn't a threat to any of its neighbours, yes. I never was a fan of the Milosovic regime or its policy towards towards the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo. Very quickly after the war it became clear that there had been no attempted genocide by the Serbs (as had been claimed). And the net result of the war was an ethnic cleasing in reverse. Certainly not something I would like to see repeated.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    With all due respect, but you are wrong on multiple counts.

    There was NO UN support for the NATO attack on Serbia.

    The NATO attack on Serbia also didn't fall under NATO treaty obligations. No NATO country was attacked. The fact that NATO lent its structure for this attack doesn't mean it was a NATO treaty obligation, since this was an offensive operation.
    I didn't say I agreed with it. I don't. However we are members of NATO and the council of members can decide how to use military force. Once the decision is made we abide by it. And while there was no UN "resolution" like Bosnia, there was a UN Resolution (1199) voicing concerns about "human rights violations" that NATO used to support their decision.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Right but mine "has no merit?"
    That's right...in MY opinion, your's has no merit. Tuff.

    Now the rest of your post needs no response. I've said everything I need to say to you on the subject.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I didn't say I agreed with it. I don't. However we are members of NATO and the council of members can decide how to use military force. Once the decision is made we abide by it. And while there was no UN "resolution" like Bosnia, there was a UN Resolution (1199) voicing concerns about "human rights violations" that NATO used to support their decision.
    well hells bells- how many UN resolutions were there about Iraq? 23?

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    My stance on civilization being more easier in ME than Africa is not based on Biblical stories (sorry non religious here), but more to do with prejudice and somewhat primitive customs that Africans have been used to live in ever since the dawn of human kind. Do not know whether you had some time with them?

    I have had the opportunity to be with the company of people from Africa whom were either businessman or academics. There are exceptions but I found them either juvenile or bullies. This on that business and academic level of people from various parts in Africa (i.e., what of the ones not as fortunate?).

    They would hang with other black people sometimes American Africans. To which point they would express high prejudice towards me as the white in the table. It took the African American to put some sense back to them in words and that they obeyed. Perhaps there is a hint here that if some operations are to be done in Africa it might as well be conducted from Europeanized or Americanized Africans, for they seem to respect that!

    If there was not prejudice there would be cock measuring of inappropriate styles for all of us at such gatherings (e.g., very close eye to eye starring, close higher chin posing, and at hominem critiques). Should you challenge one of them the rest would group in seconds trying to "defend" like in a pact.

    All this from a very deep belief I imagine that they think that we look down on them to which they react to completing a self-fulfilling prophecy. Rarely do they recognize that it is not about that. In that group of all of us only one approached and commented that it seemed not to be about measuring at an academic gathering.

    Thus, unless they grow from all that and think things through better, there may be difficulties for civilization. These were the challenges with their elites. But in Africa you have people living in jungles too you know.
    My observation is there seems to be a culture of dishonesty and con-artistry with a lot of Africans I've met. In fact around half the Africans I've personally met seem to think dishonesty and scheming is the ticket to material success. On a more macro scale, we hear about widespread corruption and other problems in Africa that to me seem to be factors of their relative newness to representative government. Many of the problems we see in Africa with government was going on here a century ago and to a lesser extent even today that we finally matured out of for the most part. That's a lot different than the Middle East where suicide bombing is an act of worship.

    Plus a big part of why there is so much of what we consider barbaric practices is because they embrace the Medieval Age and all that the 8th to the 11th centuries represented culturally. The devotion to reliving that time in history continually is tied inseparably to a type of nationalistic pride and patriotism. This is because the Medieval Age was their "Golden Age," taken from them through military defeat. If you study up on it its undeniable they were accomplishing some pretty impressive stuff back then for that time in history and they're very proud of that and in practice seek to relive that time in history forever. However, with that they also try to embrace every nuance of life back then including many of the very disturbing 8th to 11th century norms based on modern aka western standards. Another major component of their culture is they feel it is their duty to enforce compliance up to and including the use of deadly force to what they think is right behavior on others. As long as they see the 8th to 11th century culture as the right way to live, its their sacred duty to make everybody around them also comply and we're all up in their grill because of the utter importance of oil, I can't see an end to conflict.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I didn't say I agreed with it. I don't. However we are members of NATO and the council of members can decide how to use military force. Once the decision is made we abide by it. And while there was no UN "resolution" like Bosnia, there was a UN Resolution (1199) voicing concerns about "human rights violations" that NATO used to support their decision.
    No NATO member was under obligation to join in this campaign as it was outside the NATO area and outside the scope of the NATO Treaty.

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