View Poll Results: Who should has the job of World Police?

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  • America is the world's remaining superpower. It's our job.

    8 18.18%
  • Let Russia become the new world police

    1 2.27%
  • China as the most people so it should be their job

    1 2.27%
  • Regional associations deal with regional matters; the Arab League, NAFTA, NATO.

    8 18.18%
  • The UN with its own standing military, of which America also subjected to.

    8 18.18%
  • Other

    18 40.91%
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Funny. My position is reversed here. Just an opinion though.
    A big part of my thinking on the Middle East has to do with ancient Biblical prophecies that we seeing coming true today, most of which would have been unimaginable speaking from a natural understanding prior to 1948.

    - Major animosity between Israel and Persia (Iran) that never existed in ancient history

    - Israel surrounded on all sides by hostile countries

    - The oldest continuously inhabited city in the world, the city of Damascus to be utterly destroyed. “See, Damascus will no longer be a city
    but will become a heap of ruins."
    In the same passage a small town in Israel seems to indicate will also be affected in a way that will force its complete evacuation; maybe that triggering the Damascus' destruction. Not saying I perfectly understand how its going to pan out other than to say turmoil will be characteristic of it all.

    - What seems to be describing the use of nuclear weapons at some point in the region. "Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet."

    ...with no indication any of this will end once it got started until the close of history as we know it.

    Plus they have a percentage of the population so committed to their objectives they are willing to commit suicide in carrying out those objectives. Even though most would not go that far, the ones that are willing are cheered on and honored by the others. In fact if I recall, even a key US friendly Middle Eastern government at one time was giving cash rewards to the families of suicide bombers; or maybe it was government officials out of their personal money. None of this is not happening in Africa.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    So what the heck is all this about then?
    I never said you didn't have a right to your opinion, did I? We have a saying in the USA, maybe you've heard it? "Opinions are like (in polite terms) the anus, everyone has one."

    This was about what I considered your flippant, unsolicited response to an issue of major concern to my country and my fellow countrymen.

    Everyone demands that we step in and defend "democracy," or "morals," or "human rights;" yet whenever we do it ends up becoming a disaster for us. Our allies smile but treat us like a loose cannon, our enemies smile and try to figure out how to use it against us, and all the neutrals smile and think we are interfering bullies.

    Even the people who ask us for help are never satisfied; it's either not enough interference/aid or too much interference/aid. And EVERYONE hopes one day we'll fall on our self-rightious ass and maybe learn a little humility.

    Personally, I think we need to talk softly, talk softly some more, and keep being diplomatic until the only option left is to bring out the big stick and knock the other guy so deep into the dirt he will NEVER be a problem again.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    A big part of my thinking on the Middle East has to do with ancient Biblical prophecies that we seeing coming true today, most of which would have been unimaginable speaking from a natural understanding prior to 1948.

    - Major animosity between Israel and Persia (Iran) that never existed in ancient history

    - Israel surrounded on all sides by hostile countries

    - The oldest continuously inhabited city in the world, the city of Damascus to be utterly destroyed. “See, Damascus will no longer be a city
    but will become a heap of ruins."
    In the same passage a small town in Israel seems to indicate will also be affected in a way that will force is complete evacuation; maybe that triggering the Damascus' destruction. Not saying I perfectly understand how its going to pan out other than to say turmoil will be characteristic of it all.

    - What seems to be describing the use of nuclear weapons at some point in the region. "Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet."

    ...with no indication any of this will end once it got started until the close of history as we know it.

    Plus we have a percentage of the population so committed to their objectives they are willing to commit suicide in carrying out those objectives. Even though most would not go that far, the ones that are willing are cheered on and honored by the others. In fact if I recall, even a key US friendly Middle Eastern government at one time was giving cash compensation to the families of suicide bombers; or maybe it was government officials out of their personal money. None of this is not happening in Africa.
    My stance on civilization being more easier in ME than Africa is not based on Biblical stories (sorry non religious here), but more to do with prejudice and somewhat primitive customs that Africans have been used to live in ever since the dawn of human kind. Do not know whether you had some time with them?

    I have had the opportunity to be with the company of people from Africa whom were either businessman or academics. There are exceptions but I found them either juvenile or bullies. This on that business and academic level of people from various parts in Africa (i.e., what of the ones not as fortunate?).

    They would hang with other black people sometimes American Africans. To which point they would express high prejudice towards me as the white in the table. It took the African American to put some sense back to them in words and that they obeyed. Perhaps there is a hint here that if some operations are to be done in Africa it might as well be conducted from Europeanized or Americanized Africans, for they seem to respect that!

    If there was not prejudice there would be cock measuring of inappropriate styles for all of us at such gatherings (e.g., very close eye to eye starring, close higher chin posing, and at hominem critiques). Should you challenge one of them the rest would group in seconds trying to "defend" like in a pact.

    All this from a very deep belief I imagine that they think that we look down on them to which they react to completing a self-fulfilling prophecy. Rarely do they recognize that it is not about that. In that group of all of us only one approached and commented that it seemed not to be about measuring at an academic gathering.

    Thus, unless they grow from all that and think things through better, there may be difficulties for civilization. These were the challenges with their elites. But in Africa you have people living in jungles too you know.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Go back and look at what you quoted from me.

    I am not responsible for how you take things
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    It is also clear that I am not stating a "fact" but only what I "think they may have been," so I don't get your point.
    No kidding ... and back atcha ... I said I misinterpreted you as suggesting big oil was turning into big sun.
    I thought that was a clear enough mea culpa.
    Traditional energy companies are most definitely looking for new sources ... and the Feds are looking too ... but not for the same reason.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    No kidding ... and back atcha ... I said I misinterpreted you as suggesting big oil was turning into big sun.
    I thought that was a clear enough mea culpa.
    Traditional energy companies are most definitely looking for new sources ... and the Feds are looking too ... but not for the same reason.
    Gotcha. It's all good.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Perhaps, but my point in that comment was (if you recall the major difference) that the USA went into Kosovo under the NATO treaty. We are member partners in NATO and obligated to honor our treaty requirements. There was also UN support for the action.

    We have no such obligation in Syria.
    With all due respect, but you are wrong on multiple counts.

    There was NO UN support for the NATO attack on Serbia.

    The NATO attack on Serbia also didn't fall under NATO treaty obligations. No NATO country was attacked. The fact that NATO lent its structure for this attack doesn't mean it was a NATO treaty obligation, since this was an offensive operation.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    There's a lot of sentiment lately over scaling back America's role outside of our own borders. The position of "global beacon of democracy," "the world's only remaining superpower," etc., etc., comes with what some consider to be a duty to therest of the world that includes being the world's police in the most extreme cases of state sponsored terror. Some accept tgat we have that as part of who we are. Others think only if and when we get a consensus and cooperation from most other governments albeit with our leadership. Others still take the position that its not our concern when atrocities occur outside of the United States. Nature hates a vacuum however and if we turn our backs on the role of global peacekeepers I wonder is the isolationists has considered that and if so do they have a preference on how the world community should respond to atrocities.
    There isn't a world community, and the capitalists always respond by making everything worse while they make profits, as we all know.

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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I never said you didn't have a right to your opinion, did I? We have a saying in the USA, maybe you've heard it? "Opinions are like (in polite terms) the anus, everyone has one."
    Right but mine "has no merit?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    This was about what I considered your flippant, unsolicited response to an issue of major concern to my country and my fellow countrymen.
    We are speaking of you playing world cop here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Everyone demands that we step in and defend "democracy," or "morals," or "human rights;" yet whenever we do it ends up becoming a disaster for us.
    Do not be so hard on yourselves. It is not "every time" like that. See what happened in Dardania for instance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Our allies smile but treat us like a loose cannon, our enemies smile and try to figure out how to use it against us, and all the neutrals smile and think we are interfering bullies.
    Can you find sources where all your allies smile and yet treat you like a loose cannon?

    As for the enemies, they will always seek ways to use whatever they can against us, would they? It is what they do. But with some ups and downs I do not think it will turn bad in the long run!

    So cheer up! You are not alone In fact, each time you win, you become greater!

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Even the people who ask us for help are never satisfied; it's either not enough interference/aid or too much interference/aid.
    Not like that here. Nothing more to do here. By most odds we may join Albania a NATO member, and it is of to see how we could be of some help. Not to mention that that is occurring as we speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    And EVERYONE hopes one day we'll fall on our self-rightious ass and maybe learn a little humility.
    Humility! Now, I do not want to say much, but back in 1998-1999, you used humility as much as possible! Serbs just did not want to negotiate. We in fact were thinking that you were not going to do it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Personally, I think we need to talk softly, talk softly some more, and keep being diplomatic until the only option left is to bring out the big stick and knock the other guy so deep into the dirt he will NEVER be a problem again.
    I think so too. But who would talk to leaders that use WMD's of various kinds?
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You realize how much money all these wars and police actions and things like bombing Libya have cost? Not to mention the American lives lost and horrible injuries sustained.
    Oh please, I don't support all warring, but that has hardly been the main reason for our budget.
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    Re: Superpower: its a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but...had it not been for intervention, would the US have won its revolution against the British empire?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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