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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    You do know that most of what you wrote has no basis in fact, right?
    I would bet not. For example, the vast majority of rational studies of Iraqi death tolls put the death count caused by the war at 100K-200K. The one-million figure is probably that Lancet study that got laughed out of intelligent discourse, finding it's ways instead to the sub-basements of liberal bile and anger, to fester and mold and mutate into something hideous and hateful, unable to show it's face in civilized company without ridicule.

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would bet not. For example, the vast majority of rational studies of Iraqi death tolls put the death count caused by the war at 100K-200K. The one-million figure is probably that Lancet study that got laughed out of intelligent discourse, finding it's ways instead to the sub-basements of liberal bile and anger, to fester and mold and mutate into something hideous and hateful, unable to show it's face in civilized company without ridicule.
    I'm not really a betting man. But you are right.

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would bet not. For example, the vast majority of rational studies of Iraqi death tolls put the death count caused by the war at 100K-200K. The one-million figure is probably that Lancet study that got laughed out of intelligent discourse, finding it's ways instead to the sub-basements of liberal bile and anger, to fester and mold and mutate into something hideous and hateful, unable to show it's face in civilized company without ridicule.
    There is no point in debating the Iraq Invasion with you. Anyone that still thinks there is any justification for going there, is quite simply beyond hope or reason.

    There is no study that shows less than 100,000 deaths. That is 100,000 deaths too many. These people were God's children just as you and I are.
    And worth no less than we are.
    The reason that some people view the larger results in contempt is because they only view us as responsible for people we directly killed.
    Other people accept responsibility for the sectarian violence that we opened the door for.
    While others also include the Iraqi's still dying as a result of destroying their infrastructure. This would be deaths attributed to lack of proper resources, medicine, health care, deaths from poverty, and etc.
    This is why I put forth 2 categories. Direct and Indirect.
    The deaths are still adding up each and every day at an astounding rate. With no end in sight.
    At what point is our responsibility finished? What if the sectarian strife continues for 50 years? Will we be responsible until Iraq is as secure as it was before we took it apart? Or did our responsibility end once we left?
    These are the questions that result in vastly different numbers.
    Attacking numbers without reason is pointless. If you disagree, then it is not the numbers to which you find fault, it is the extent of our responsibility.

    Here are several different calculations. Not one of them shows the full indirect extent of the death caused as an indirect result of our actions.
    And not one of them calculates the future deaths that continue to pile up.

    For the sake of argument, say it was only half of the lowest number. 45,000
    Can you imagine just how many ended lives that truly is? If they were all in a row they would stretch for over 25 miles.
    Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    It may be illeagle but considering the American dollar needs oil to be worth anything my need not to starve makes me think the war was necessary besides Their dictator may or may not have weapons of mass destruction but he was slaughtering his people a vast amount in fact dropping gasoline and bombing them it could have become a genocide if we did not intervene

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    There is no point in debating the Iraq Invasion with you. Anyone that still thinks there is any justification for going there, is quite simply beyond hope or reason.


    There is no study that shows less than 100,000 deaths. That is 100,000 deaths too many. These people were God's children just as you and I are.
    Full agreement - which is why I was so willing to fightthe Iranian-backed Shia and Syrian-backed Sunni terrorist groups that caused the majority of those deaths.

    And worth no less than we are.
    Agreed. That's why we protected their lives with our own.

    The reason that some people view the larger results in contempt is because they only view us as responsible for people we directly killed.
    That is who we killed. AQI, the Sadrists, they all get credit for who they killed.

    While others also include the Iraqi's still dying as a result of destroying their infrastructure. This would be deaths attributed to lack of proper resources, medicine, health care, deaths from poverty, and etc.
    This is why I put forth 2 categories. Direct and Indirect.
    Yeah, I'm aware of the different inputs. But the 1 million number is still unrealistic. That number basically takes every single Iraqi who died over the last 10 years and blames the U.S. for it

    The deaths are still adding up each and every day at an astounding rate. With no end in sight.
    No - now it's on them. We left too early, I agree; but we still left them a functioning, representative government with the ability to control its' borders and secure its' populace. A better place with a much better future than when we found it.

    Attacking numbers without reason is pointless. If you disagree, then it is not the numbers to which you find fault, it is the extent of our responsibility.
    No - the 100 - 200K measurements include those killed by the sectarian violence, and the terror campaigns.

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    We went in without UN authorization, as I recall. The UN, and in particular, France, was correct. They wanted PROOF of weapons of mass destruction, rather than "belief." They wanted the inspectors to finish and find some proof. So far, the inspectors had not found any proof that Iraq had WMDs, if you recall. But Cheney & Rumsfeld had a different agenda. As Wolf testified later before Congress, they decided to tell the people we were going in for WMDs because it was easier for the public to understand. The real reason, he said, was complicated and political. That was his testimony....that they had lied to the world. France caught the lie....and stupid people here gave up french fries! (mistakenly believing french fries were, well, french)

    Iraq represented a new policy, as well. First time we attacked another country who had done nothing to us or done an action that required us to invade them to protect our interests. It was new, unprecendented policy. And our stupid congress people fell for it. Including KERRY. Which is why I'm suspicious of Kerry's decision regarding Syria now. He says "trust me, I know Syria used Chem weapons." He has a track record of not being able to judge so-called evidence properly, so I wouldn't go by Kerry's judgment on this. I do, however, trust Obama's judgment.
    The UN shouldn't exist in the first place, for us to then worry about anything they authorize.

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Those who believe it was so are more than welcome to opine.
    Can't say if it was strictly illegal or legal because those are hard terms to define internationally but I will say it was unjustified, shady, and borderline illegal because it was a war of choice with no precipitating event and the justification for war was just an excuse for other geopolitical reasons that were the real reasons behind war.

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Those who believe it was so are more than welcome to opine.
    We weren't attacked and there was no declaration of war. Also, the entire premise for going in there was built on lies and misinformation.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    It may be illeagle but considering the American dollar needs oil to be worth anything my need not to starve makes me think the war was necessary besides Their dictator may or may not have weapons of mass destruction but he was slaughtering his people a vast amount in fact dropping gasoline and bombing them it could have become a genocide if we did not intervene
    Yeah, cause we sure made things better
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    We went in without UN authorization, as I recall.
    You recall incorrectly, probably because you've been lied to repeatedly by the leftstream media until you believed it. The fact of the matter is that the UN Security Council unanimously authorized the Coalition's use of force against Iraq with the adoption of UNSCR 678.

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    The UN, and in particular, France, was correct. They wanted PROOF of weapons of mass destruction, rather than "belief."
    France voted to authorize the Coalition use of force against Iraq and actively participated in Coalition military operations in Iraq from 1991 to 1998.

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    They wanted the inspectors to finish and find some proof. So far, the inspectors had not found any proof that Iraq had WMDs, if you recall.
    Again you recall incorrectly. The fact of the matter is that UN weapons inspectors found tons of WMD in Iraq.

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