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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    lt was illegal because it wasnt defensive
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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    lt was illegal because it wasnt defensive
    Actually I think it was quasi legal as congress did approve of the war via resolution. I do not know if that makes it constitutional. Much more legal than Obama's Libyan operation. But the way I read the constitution, congress must declare war, not by resolution for a war to be considered constitutional. So every war we have been involved in since WWII, could in a way be said to be unconstitutional. But with congressional approval, they may have been legal or quasi legal if you will.
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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Actually I think it was quasi legal as congress did approve of the war via resolution. I do not know if that makes it constitutional. Much more legal than Obama's Libyan operation. But the way I read the constitution, congress must declare war, not by resolution for a war to be considered constitutional. So every war we have been involved in since WWII, could in a way be said to be unconstitutional. But with congressional approval, they may have been legal or quasi legal if you will.
    hi pero ,
    whether a foreign policy decision made by any government is constitutional or not doesnt determine its legality
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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    lt was illegal because it wasnt defensive
    It certainly was defensive. Saddam had violated 17 Chapter 7 UNSCRs, the last of which promised dire consequences. He was firing on US aircraft, selling food from oil and faking a WMD program.

    It was also defensive for the Kurds, the Marsh Arabs, the children being intentionally starved, the victims of institutionalized rape and the Iraqi people in general.

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    hi pero ,
    whether a foreign policy decision made by any government is constitutional or not doesnt determine its legality
    Don't know how they do it in Turkey, but it is legal here. While that may sound arrogant, I sure trust US a lot more than the UN, or, for that matter, Turkey. When your country has done half as much good as the US has around the world, maybe then you could legitimately bring up whether you think its legal or not. In the meantime, have a good evening....
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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    hi pero ,
    whether a foreign policy decision made by any government is constitutional or not doesnt determine its legality
    Howdy Medusa, I suppose you're right as to in one's own mind anyway. But the way our government works, if something is constitutional, it is at least legally binding. At least as far as the federal system goes. I thought Iraq was a mistake from the get go, but once congress gave it approval via a resolultion, (resolutions for me is the wrong way to go, we went to war on an opinion of congress, not a declaration) I did my best to ensure its success.
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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Those who believe it was so are more than welcome to opine.

    It was more-or-less authorized by Congress... but speaking in very strict, very Constitutionally-literalist terms, there was no formal declaration of war. Now, it has been true for some time that the Prez can commit military forces up to 90 days without Congressional authorization, and whether a declaration of war as such by name is required is a debateable point given how far we've strayed from the Constitution...

    But anyway, I wasn't opposed to the Iraq war itself... but I thought there should have been a proper Congressional declaration of war.

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It certainly was defensive. Saddam had violated 17 Chapter 7 UNSCRs, the last of which promised dire consequences. He was firing on US aircraft, selling food from oil and faking a WMD program.

    It was also defensive for the Kurds, the Marsh Arabs, the children being intentionally starved, the victims of institutionalized rape and the Iraqi people in general.
    kurds were bombed 25 years ago and USA was aware of it .

    they ignored .lets admit eco

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It was more-or-less authorized by Congress... but speaking in very strict, very Constitutionally-literalist terms, there was no formal declaration of war. Now, it has been true for some time that the Prez can commit military forces up to 90 days without Congressional authorization, and whether a declaration of war as such by name is required is a debateable point given how far we've strayed from the Constitution...

    But anyway, I wasn't opposed to the Iraq war itself... but I thought there should have been a proper Congressional declaration of war.
    I thought the anti-war folks had a good point in demanding a formal declaration of war... even it is is just a formality.

    I opposed going to war in Iraq ( I volunteered nonetheless)... but I sure as hell supported ending Saddam.

    in any event, it wasn't an illegal war.

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    Re: Why was the Iraq War Illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Howdy Medusa, I suppose you're right as to in one's own mind anyway. But the way our government works, if something is constitutional, it is at least legally binding. At least as far as the federal system goes. I thought Iraq was a mistake from the get go, but once congress gave it approval via a resolultion, (resolutions for me is the wrong way to go, we went to war on an opinion of congress, not a declaration) I did my best to ensure its success.
    but your constitution doesnt govern this world ,it governs only USA

    it means l (the world countries )dont have to accept your constitution
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