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commiting suicide ?

thougts about suicide

  • l never attempted to commit suicide

    Votes: 33 36.7%

  • l tried to commit suicide once

    Votes: 5 5.6%

  • l tried to commit suicide more than once

    Votes: 5 5.6%

  • l thought about commiting suicide but never attempted

    Votes: 28 31.1%

  • l never thought about commiting suicide

    Votes: 26 28.9%

  • l usually tend to commit suicide but always prevent myself

    Votes: 3 3.3%

  • other

    Votes: 9 10.0%
  • Total voters
    90
Dragonfly said:
Are you suggesting that since some can "get passed it" that all should be able to?
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No. I don't recall making any judgements about it. I provided my own experience, and people can take that as given, or however they wish to construe my words.
 
lizzie said:
No. I don't recall making any judgements about it. I provided my own experience, and people can take that as given, or however they wish to construe my words.
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I assumed you were NOT saying that. Just making sure.

This is a highly emotional subject and I hate how over-simplistic many people try to make it.

It's one of the huge downfalls of American society. We view mental health with such a brush-off attitude it's frightening.
 
Dragonfly said:
So you think some "loving god" would punish a person with eternity in hell simply because they suffer from a severe mental health condition?

That's somewhat like suggesting god would send a person to hell who gets cancer and dies from it.

Sad.
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You're clearly trained in the victim mentality, based on your assumption that those committing suicide are suffering from a severe mental health condition. Suicide is a cowardly act which is disrespectful to God, showing one is not grateful for being put as a soul on this earth. Your analogy of cancer fails because nobody seeks to end their life by trying to get cancer.
 
Dragonfly said:
I assumed you were NOT saying that. Just making sure.

This is a highly emotional subject and I hate how over-simplistic many people try to make it.

It's one of the huge downfalls of American society. We view mental health with such a brush-off attitude it's frightening.
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Strong patellar reflex this morning, eh? ;)

As for other people brushing it off, I can fully understand that, as it's not a subject that many people understand unless they have been personally involved on one side or the other.
 
DDD said:
Yes, those were my intentions if they were serious. I cannot handle a serious suicidal person nor would I want to. I would have became a therapist if I could bare such pressure.
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Then why tell people to PM you.

Completely inappropriate and dangerous.

They need to call a suicide hotline or 911.

Your offer to involve yourself can get someone killed.
 
SMTA said:
Then why tell people to PM you.

Completely inappropriate and dangerous.

They need to call a suicide hotline or 911.

Your offer to involve yourself can get someone killed.
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I do not think it is serious. Thought we could chat things not appropriate in public. Just talking about certain things can be relieving and I can be a good listener.

No more than that though. I sense something serious boiling and I withdraw. Plus how am I suppose to know who is who and where they live so as to make an international call to authorities there and stop someone take their own lives?
 
Mathematician said:
You're clearly trained in the victim mentality, based on your assumption that those committing suicide are suffering from a severe mental health condition. Suicide is a cowardly act which is disrespectful to God, showing one is not grateful for being put as a soul on this earth. Your analogy of cancer fails because nobody seeks to end their life by trying to get cancer.
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do you know anyone who tries to get cancer in this life ?

but many of cancer patients may try to end their lives because they suffer from the side effects of the treatment they get for cancer ,

there are lots of actions which may be seen as a disrespect for god but many believers usually forget this fact



we cant view this life from god's point of view because we are not god

are we ?

many believers may support every kind of war but never realize the war is a murder unless you are under a danger
 
Mathematician said:
You're clearly trained in the victim mentality, based on your assumption that those committing suicide are suffering from a severe mental health condition.
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In most cases they are.

Mathematician said:
Suicide is a cowardly act which is disrespectful to God, showing one is not grateful for being put as a soul on this earth.
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Yey, how would you feel in constant pain, physical or emotional? Migraine, kidney failure, cancer pain... that make you a living corpse... or desperation, guilt, panic attacks, etc? How would you feel if the only exit is "out of this life"?
 
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Mathematician said:
You're clearly trained in the victim mentality, based on your assumption that those committing suicide are suffering from a severe mental health condition. Suicide is a cowardly act which is disrespectful to God, showing one is not grateful for being put as a soul on this earth. Your analogy of cancer fails because nobody seeks to end their life by trying to get cancer.
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I am a victim. Of sorts.

My father took his life when I was 17 years old.

I've also had a close high school friend take her life about 20 years after she was date raped in college.

I've also attended a funeral for one of my daughter's close friends who took her life before she even graduated from high school.

The rest of your non-sense is just ignorant rubbish.

You show yourself to be highly uneducated and totally blind to what is the truth behind suicide.
You are also apparently unwilling to educate yourself on the subject.
Which then makes you somewhat pathetic.
 
Dragonfly said:
I am a victim. Of sorts.

My father took his life when I was 17 years old.

I've also had a close high school friend take her life about 20 years after she was date raped in college.

I've also attended a funeral for one of my daughter's close friends who took her life before she even graduated from high school.

The rest of your non-sense is just ignorant rubbish.

You show yourself to be highly uneducated and totally blind to what is the truth behind suicide.
You are also apparently unwilling to educate yourself on the subject.
Which then makes you somewhat pathetic.
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Such a pity that you've been surrounded by so many weak-minded individuals.
 
Dragonfly said:
I am a victim. Of sorts.

My father took his life when I was 17 years old.

I've also had a close high school friend take her life about 20 years after she was date raped in college.

I've also attended a funeral for one of my daughter's close friends who took her life before she even graduated from high school.

The rest of your non-sense is just ignorant rubbish.

You show yourself to be highly uneducated and totally blind to what is the truth behind suicide.
You are also apparently unwilling to educate yourself on the subject.
Which then makes you somewhat pathetic.
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Mathematician said:
Such a pity that you've been surrounded by so many weak-minded individuals.
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Extremely uncool. You are talking about his father. That's a ****ty thing to say.
 
l both understand how those who voted 2nd 3rd and 4th options feel about it and feel happy for the ones who voted the 1st and 5th .like many of you l have had problems in this life which l believed to be so hard to endure .you may think you have nothing to lose after losing your beloved ones ,your job etc or experiencing other disappointing things .if you are more emotional than many others you may be more deeply affected by what you have to have during your lifetime .although this life is nice people may make it a hell for you .you may forget there are less luckier people than you in this world because you lose your joy of living . commiting suicide doesnt mean you are weak but resistance to it means you are really a strong person .or you may forget it after trying once and realize this life is a gift you were given for only once .you are still strong.
 
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I'm dropping out of this thread because if I don't I'll surely be given infraction points....

Good luck with the ignorant stooges.
 
Mathematician said:
You're clearly trained in the victim mentality, based on your assumption that those committing suicide are suffering from a severe mental health condition. Suicide is a cowardly act which is disrespectful to God, showing one is not grateful for being put as a soul on this earth. Your analogy of cancer fails because nobody seeks to end their life by trying to get cancer.
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Ah. Another one who has no education on mental health issues. Perhaps instead of speaking on something that you know nothing about, you might want to ask some questions and learn about it. Also, your position on God in this scenario is nothing but your opinion and has no basis in reality.
 
Mathematician said:
Such a pity that you've been surrounded by so many weak-minded individuals.
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Actually, I find it a pity that you have no education on mental health issues. Here... let me try to teach you something here. Suicide is often the result of a serious mental health issue, most often either Major Depressive Disorder, or a Major Depressive Episode inside another psychological disorder. When the individual is in this much pain, they perceive themselves as having a choice: either continue to be in pain or to end the pain. When someone is in this state, often feeling trapped, other options do not seem feasible. This is also why talking with someone can be a lifesaver. Unlike what you and some of our other folks who are minimally educated on mental health issues believe, this does not make the individual cowardly or weak-minded. The person is looking for options in, because of their mental health issues, they perceive as an untenable situation. It's an UNHEALTHY and harmful option, but with the state of mind they are in, it is the best option that ends the pain that they see.

There. You have now been given some basic information on this topic. I hope this helps you to not make these kinds of errors again.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Actually, I find it a pity that you have no education on mental health issues. Here... let me try to teach you something here. Suicide is often the result of a serious mental health issue, most often either Major Depressive Disorder, or a Major Depressive Episode inside another psychological disorder. When the individual is in this much pain, they perceive themselves as having a choice: either continue to be in pain or to end the pain. When someone is in this state, often feeling trapped, other options do not seem feasible. This is also why talking with someone can be a lifesaver. Unlike what you and some of our other folks who are minimally educated on mental health issues believe, this does not make the individual cowardly or weak-minded. The person is looking for options in, because of their mental health issues, they perceive as an untenable situation. It's an UNHEALTHY and harmful option, but with the state of mind they are in, it is the best option that ends the pain that they see.

There. You have now been given some basic information on this topic. I hope this helps you to not make these kinds of errors again.
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he must see he already gets approval from god l think :mrgreen:
 
Gipper said:
Never tried, never will. People who commit suicide are cowards (outside of those suffering from painful and/or debilitating diseases).
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And...would you qualify, say, a chronic depression with psychotic elements as a "debilitating disease"? When not only you are suffering every minute of your life, but you have a good reason to think that you may be a danger to others?

And, as clueless outside observers, how you and I would know the difference between THAT and mere "cowardice"?

I wonder, where this urge to judge is coming from? Have you been to my mind? I haven't been to yours, for sure.

Even if someone does something morally wrong (hurts other people), I have no desire to pronounce a final judgment on him or her. I am not God - I don't even believe in gods. I have no idea what is really happening in someone else's mind - nobody really does. A criminal has to be isolated - to protect the innocent, but we are not talking about criminals here, we are talking about people who take only their own lives. You seem to condemn them - for what exactly?
 
Mathematician said:
Such a pity that you've been surrounded by so many weak-minded individuals.
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That was cruel, vicious and beyond decency. If you were capable of shame, you'd be profusely apologizing right now for this despicable statement.
 
Never thought of suicide. Thought many times of taking out all the dumbasses that piss me off all the time, but don't like the idea of prison for life that would come with that. Too bad, America and the world would be a much better place if I could just take out the useless dumbassess.
 
Depression and psychosis are actual classes of mental illnesses that can include suicidality. Malingering and Factitious Disordered presentations are insincere (but sometimes convincing) claims of suicidality with the intention of obtaining something from someone. Terminal illness-related suicidality is many times fairly rational and a sign of neither mental illness nor "cowardice" as some folks here have suggested.

Criminals who commit suicide when they're finally caught or convicted commonly generate pretty negative feelings about them, so I could certainly understand the impulse to call these folks "cowards," but they don't tend to exactly be "mentally healthy" individuals either.

Just a few of my thoughts on the topic.
 
Cyrylek said:
And...would you qualify, say, a chronic depression with psychotic elements as a "debilitating disease"? When not only you are suffering every minute of your life, but you have a good reason to think that you may be a danger to others?

And, as clueless outside observers, how you and I would know the difference between THAT and mere "cowardice"?

I wonder, where this urge to judge is coming from? Have you been to my mind? I haven't been to yours, for sure.

Even if someone does something morally wrong (hurts other people), I have no desire to pronounce a final judgment on him or her. I am not God - I don't even believe in gods. I have no idea what is really happening in someone else's mind - nobody really does. A criminal has to be isolated - to protect the innocent, but we are not talking about criminals here, we are talking about people who take only their own lives. You seem to condemn them - for what exactly?
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it is said people with chronic psychosis more tend to commit suicide .they may even plan how to commit suicide unlike the others with depression
 
Medusa said:
it is said people with chronic psychosis more tend to commit suicide .they may even plan how to commit suicide unlike the others with depression
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Most suicides including contemplated suicides involve planning, regardless of what disorder, if any, underlies it. Hence all competent suicide risk assessments ask about suicidal plans if there is any report of ideation.
 
I think the selfishness of people who condemn and shame people who commit suicide, devaluing the magnitude of their suffering in life, based on nothing but their own convenience, is absolutely sickening.

No one just wakes up one day and says, "Hey, I think I'll kill myself. That sounds like fun. I love the thought of all the people I care about being upset." They kill themselves because, by their own understanding of it, their useful life has ended, whatever that may mean to them.

To make the insurmountable suffering of another person all about YOU is just so disgusting I cannot find words to describe it.

People have an absolute right to decide the terms of their own lives -- what qualifies as a life worth living and what doesn't. No one else has the right to decide whether they are suffering enough to deserve that integrity. Really, how dare you.

And any loved one worth their salt would put their selfish motives aside, and support their loved ones to either recover, or to make a dignified exit.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
People have an absolute right to decide the terms of their own lives -- what qualifies as a life worth living and what doesn't. No one else has the right to decide whether they are suffering enough to deserve that integrity. Really, how dare you.

And any loved one worth their salt would put their selfish motives aside, and support their loved ones to either recover, or to make a dignified exit.
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Don't take this as disagreement, but under what circumstances should a loved one intervene and pursue psychiatric treatment, vs. simply respect the wish of the loved one?

What about if the person who is being told about a person's suicidal intentions is NOT a loved one, but a random stranger, a police officer, a health care provider, et cetera... what should they be expected to do? A good example might be: if a person shows up of their own volition to an emergency room and says "I came here because I want to kill myself," what should happen next?

It is easy to declare people as having an absolute right to decide the terms of their own lives (I agree, after all), but that doesn't really identify what people are supposed to do in response to people going out of their way to advertise it.
 
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