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  • l never attempted to commit suicide

    36 36.00%
  • l tried to commit suicide once

    6 6.00%
  • l tried to commit suicide more than once

    6 6.00%
  • l thought about commiting suicide but never attempted

    33 33.00%
  • l never thought about commiting suicide

    28 28.00%
  • l usually tend to commit suicide but always prevent myself

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Thread: commiting suicide ?

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    Re: commiting suicide ?

    Depression and psychosis are actual classes of mental illnesses that can include suicidality. Malingering and Factitious Disordered presentations are insincere (but sometimes convincing) claims of suicidality with the intention of obtaining something from someone. Terminal illness-related suicidality is many times fairly rational and a sign of neither mental illness nor "cowardice" as some folks here have suggested.

    Criminals who commit suicide when they're finally caught or convicted commonly generate pretty negative feelings about them, so I could certainly understand the impulse to call these folks "cowards," but they don't tend to exactly be "mentally healthy" individuals either.

    Just a few of my thoughts on the topic.

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    Re: commiting suicide ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    And...would you qualify, say, a chronic depression with psychotic elements as a "debilitating disease"? When not only you are suffering every minute of your life, but you have a good reason to think that you may be a danger to others?

    And, as clueless outside observers, how you and I would know the difference between THAT and mere "cowardice"?

    I wonder, where this urge to judge is coming from? Have you been to my mind? I haven't been to yours, for sure.

    Even if someone does something morally wrong (hurts other people), I have no desire to pronounce a final judgment on him or her. I am not God - I don't even believe in gods. I have no idea what is really happening in someone else's mind - nobody really does. A criminal has to be isolated - to protect the innocent, but we are not talking about criminals here, we are talking about people who take only their own lives. You seem to condemn them - for what exactly?
    it is said people with chronic psychosis more tend to commit suicide .they may even plan how to commit suicide unlike the others with depression
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    Re: commiting suicide ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    it is said people with chronic psychosis more tend to commit suicide .they may even plan how to commit suicide unlike the others with depression
    Most suicides including contemplated suicides involve planning, regardless of what disorder, if any, underlies it. Hence all competent suicide risk assessments ask about suicidal plans if there is any report of ideation.

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    Re: commiting suicide ?

    I think the selfishness of people who condemn and shame people who commit suicide, devaluing the magnitude of their suffering in life, based on nothing but their own convenience, is absolutely sickening.

    No one just wakes up one day and says, "Hey, I think I'll kill myself. That sounds like fun. I love the thought of all the people I care about being upset." They kill themselves because, by their own understanding of it, their useful life has ended, whatever that may mean to them.

    To make the insurmountable suffering of another person all about YOU is just so disgusting I cannot find words to describe it.

    People have an absolute right to decide the terms of their own lives -- what qualifies as a life worth living and what doesn't. No one else has the right to decide whether they are suffering enough to deserve that integrity. Really, how dare you.

    And any loved one worth their salt would put their selfish motives aside, and support their loved ones to either recover, or to make a dignified exit.

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    Re: commiting suicide ?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    People have an absolute right to decide the terms of their own lives -- what qualifies as a life worth living and what doesn't. No one else has the right to decide whether they are suffering enough to deserve that integrity. Really, how dare you.

    And any loved one worth their salt would put their selfish motives aside, and support their loved ones to either recover, or to make a dignified exit.
    Don't take this as disagreement, but under what circumstances should a loved one intervene and pursue psychiatric treatment, vs. simply respect the wish of the loved one?

    What about if the person who is being told about a person's suicidal intentions is NOT a loved one, but a random stranger, a police officer, a health care provider, et cetera... what should they be expected to do? A good example might be: if a person shows up of their own volition to an emergency room and says "I came here because I want to kill myself," what should happen next?

    It is easy to declare people as having an absolute right to decide the terms of their own lives (I agree, after all), but that doesn't really identify what people are supposed to do in response to people going out of their way to advertise it.

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    Re: commiting suicide ?

    found an article about it

    Although some people who commit suicide have an identifiable mental health problem, like depression or addiction, others don’t. Some talk about wanting or planning to kill themselves or give other hints, others don’t. As my colleague Annmarie Dadoly wrote in this blog last year, many suicides are impulsive acts, with the decision to do it being made just minutes or hours before that act.

    What prompts a person to take his or her life? No one really knows—experts never get to talk to people who have committed suicide. They can only talk to those who are contemplating suicide or who survive it. By definition, that is a different group.

    Every suicide, like every person, is different. Many are sparked by intense feelings of anger, despair, hopelessness, or panic. Things that can put an individual at a higher risk for suicide in the short term include:

    an episode of depression, psychosis, or anxiety
    a significant loss, such as the death of a partner or the loss of a job
    a personal crisis or life stress, especially one that increases a sense of isolation or leads to a loss of self-esteem, such as a breakup or divorce
    loss of social support, for example, because of a move or when a close friend relocates
    an illness or medication that triggers a change in mood
    exposure to the suicidal behaviors of others, such as friends, peers, or celebrities.


    Suicide often not preceded by warnings - Harvard Health Publications
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    Re: commiting suicide ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Don't take this as disagreement, but under what circumstances should a loved one intervene and pursue psychiatric treatment, vs. simply respect the wish of the loved one?

    What about if the person who is being told about a person's suicidal intentions is NOT a loved one, but a random stranger, a police officer, a health care provider, et cetera... what should they be expected to do? A good example might be: if a person shows up of their own volition to an emergency room and says "I came here because I want to kill myself," what should happen next?

    It is easy to declare people as having an absolute right to decide the terms of their own lives (I agree, after all), but that doesn't really identify what people are supposed to do in response to people going out of their way to advertise it.
    I do think such circumstances exist, and while I err on the side of granting when it comes to the law since it is such a blind hammer, I certainly don't have a problem with people trying to help if they believe their loved one wants to die due to solvable mental health problems.

    However, it really has to come from that place: wanting to help THEM, not trying to cojole and shame them and make it all about you. That's our responsibility with people we love -- to not make it about us.

    If a person wishes to obtain means of suicide or euthanasia, I think they should go through a brief evaluation to rule out coercion or sudden onset psychosis. That's all.

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    Re: commiting suicide ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    That was cruel, vicious and beyond decency. If you were capable of shame, you'd be profusely apologizing right now for this despicable statement.
    Sorry, but the shame falls on the person who commits suicide. They're the one being selfish by taking their life out of the lives of loved ones, especially if they are a parent.
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    Re: commiting suicide ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Don't take this as disagreement, but under what circumstances should a loved one intervene and pursue psychiatric treatment, vs. simply respect the wish of the loved one?

    What about if the person who is being told about a person's suicidal intentions is NOT a loved one, but a random stranger, a police officer, a health care provider, et cetera... what should they be expected to do? A good example might be: if a person shows up of their own volition to an emergency room and says "I came here because I want to kill myself," what should happen next?

    It is easy to declare people as having an absolute right to decide the terms of their own lives (I agree, after all), but that doesn't really identify what people are supposed to do in response to people going out of their way to advertise it.
    If there's been an extended history of failed treatment, it's easier to conclude that trying to stop them is not helping them. We haven't reached the point that everyone with mental health issues can be cured or even moderately relieved. The problem with so many teenagers, a particularly at risk group, who feel there's no point in living is they've barely sought treatment, if at all. I definitely think with that age group it's appropriate to intervene, but with someone in their late 20s/30s etc, it becomes more of a gray area.

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    Re: commiting suicide ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Sorry, but the shame falls on the person who commits suicide. They're the one being selfish by taking their life out of the lives of loved ones, especially if they are a parent.
    weakminded people should act like thickminded people
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