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    Re: Does the use of chemcial weapons by Syria threaten our National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Obama and his administration are claiming that the use of chemical weapons threatens our national security.
    Do you agree with this statement?

    My answer is NO and here is why:

    Even if we do nothing about it, that is not to suggest that if someone launched a chemical attack on one of our allies, a NATO member, or on American soil, that we would do nothing about it.
    I do not think there is one single person on the face of the entire planet that thinks we would not respond in a very massive and aggressive way if we were attacked ourselves. We might even respond with the nuclear option depending on the severity.

    Obama is wrong.
    And that should mean something coming from me, as I strongly support Obama on all of his internal policy.

    Please explain in detail if you think I am mistaken.
    I'd love for you to sway my mind.
    Directly, no. Syria is unlikely to directly use them against us. However, the indication that they are willing to use them, and with allies close enough that Stria could use them on them does to me make this a security issue.
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    Re: Does the use of chemcial weapons by Syria threaten our National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Today Kerry outlined the proof and it sounded air tight to me.
    I suppose it depends on how you'd define "proof".
    But I think we now have as much proof as could be reasonably expected in such a situation.

    That being said, I am still against interfering.
    I read Kerry's speech and it is far from the proof required for more people to die. Fer Krissakes, it relies on Israeli intelligence. Another player with a vested, biased agenda. No thanks, let's play in the real world. That is my honest, sincere opinion.

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    Re: Does the use of chemcial weapons by Syria threaten our National Security?

    How could it threaten our national security? They neither have the means, nor the stated desire, to attack the United States on our soil. Obama is once again being an idiot.
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    Re: Does the use of chemcial weapons by Syria threaten our National Security?

    Considering the "intelligence" we used last decade, I'll take the Israeli intelligence any day.

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    Re: Does the use of chemcial weapons by Syria threaten our National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Today Kerry outlined the proof and it sounded air tight to me.
    I suppose it depends on how you'd define "proof".
    But I think we now have as much proof as could be reasonably expected in such a situation.

    That being said, I am still against interfering.

    Heya Painter. Not according to some others out there.

    U.S. Officials say 'no smoking gun' implicating Assad in chemical attack


    The U.S. and its allies have "no smoking gun" proving Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad personally ordered his forces to use chemical weapons to attack a rebel-held Damascus neighborhood, U.S. national security officials said on Thursday.

    In secret intelligence assessments and a still-unreleased report summarizing U.S. intelligence on the alleged gas attack on August 21, U.S. agencies express high confidence that Syrian government forces carried out the attack, and that Assad's government therefore bears responsibility, the officials said.

    "This was not a rogue operation," one U.S. official said.

    However the evidence does not prove that Assad himself ordered that chemical munitions be used, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    Evidence that forces loyal to Assad were responsible goes beyond the circumstantial to include electronic intercepts and some tentative scientific samples from the neighborhood which was attacked, officials said.

    While Obama has not yet announced a decision on military action, he has left little doubt the choice was not whether but when to punish Assad's government for the attack, in which hundreds of people died.....snip~

    U.S. Officials say 'no smoking gun' implicating Assad in chemical attack | Reuters

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    Re: Does the use of chemcial weapons by Syria threaten our National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Considering the "intelligence" we used last decade, I'll take the Israeli intelligence any day.

    Here's a little gas for you fire.

    Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

    "This article is a collaboration between Dale Gavlak reporting for Mint Press News (also of the Associated Press) and Yahya Ababneh.

    August 30, 2013 "Information Clearing House - Ghouta, Syria — As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week’s chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.

    Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.

    The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.”

    However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

    “My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

    Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

    Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

    Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.

    “They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

    “When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

    A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named ‘J’ agreed. “Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material,” he said.

    “We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said."

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    Re: Does the use of chemcial weapons by Syria threaten our National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    They've likely been moved. If not, Obama will let them know before he bombs them.
    I'm sure we could still get some of them.

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    Re: Does the use of chemcial weapons by Syria threaten our National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    What if you have absolutely zero proof of the guilt of the alleged aggressor? As is the current case.
    You have to be living under a rock if you actually believe there is no proof Assad is killing his own people.

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    Re: Does the use of chemcial weapons by Syria threaten our National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I'm sure we could still get some of them.

    We really don't want to bomb any of those sites due to the possible release on those agents. That with not actually knowing who has them.....

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    Re: Does the use of chemcial weapons by Syria threaten our National Security?

    Not sure. On one hand, I think that a message should be sent about the use of chemical weapons, because the world has decided that the particular horror inflicted by them is inhuman and unacceptable, and of course any country that would do that to its own wouldn't hesitate to use them on us and others. In fact, it may have been an excuse to use them on their own, to see the reaction, before using them on us. On the other hand, we have not reacted when others have used them, like Iraq in the 1980s AND THE UNITED STATES DURING THE VIETNAM WAR. So I suspect there's a different reason to be so horrified about Syria. Syria is an enemy of ours and friend of Iran, so maybe U.S. wants to send a message to Iran? Or do we have pressure from Israel? What's going on here? I'm not sure. But I do trust Obama's calm reasoning and judgment abilities in matters like this. He's not exactly a war monger. I just hope he's not overly pressured by Kerry or Israel to act. I don't think he will be.

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