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Repeal obamacare completely

REPEAL OBAMACARE

  • Repeal within 2 years. Repeal Medicare also.

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  • Repeal it and Medicare in whatever time it takes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Keep the individual mandate. Repeal the rest and medicare also.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Keep Obamacare, but NO care for non-citizens.

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  • Total voters
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Which is a result of current law. We can't repeal it though or we might have people dieing in the streets. :lamo I like how people support one really dumb idea and when it fails horribly it leads to even dumber more oppressive ideas. Just wonderful.

What is the current law your speaking of?
Please tell me your not opposed to the emergency treatment and stabilization of the poor in emergency rooms?
If so, I think that is the coldest opinion I've ever heard in my lifetime.

Here I am... I'd gladly surrender my very life if it would win over medical care for many Americans.
And there you are, wanting the very people I'd die for, to die in the streets.
 
NO, I am talking about our healthcare system since at least the 60's. We have always had to pay for those that dont. It just suddenly started bothering the RWers. I wonder why.
So basically you are complaining about a current law that forced that into existence. We can't just repeal that law, so instead lets force everyone to buy insurance to cover it up. :lamo
 
When someone does not have health insurance it affects all of us.
Please don't use that idiotic argument. I could point out multiple things that people do that affect all of us. My point is, we should have none of it "affect" any of us, meaning none of it should be mandated by our government. Start thinking along those lines, and we'll restore America to its former greatness
 
NO, under our current system for years we have been paying for people that refuse to pay.
YES, I know. Stop beating a dead horse.
 
Please don't use that idiotic argument. I could point out multiple things that people do that affect all of us. My point is, we should have none of it "affect" any of us, meaning none of it should be mandated by our government. Start thinking along those lines, and we'll restore America to its former greatness

No emergency room treatment for the poor.
No police.
No firemen.
No car insurance?

Jesus... no wonder you people are so into guns.
It'd take a hell of a lot of ammo to live in that world.
And one day you'd run out of food and have to come out of your foxhole.
 
What is the current law your speaking of?
Please tell me your not opposed to the emergency treatment and stabilization of the poor in emergency rooms?
If so, I think that is the coldest opinion I've ever heard in my lifetime.

It's a stupid policy that does nothing but make the problem worse. All it does is raise the cost of care for everyone and makes even more people unable to afford care. Yay, the one guy got emergency treatment that he couldn't afford and because of that now you have these five other guys that can't afford it either. Congrats.

Here I am... I'd gladly surrender my very life if it would win over medical care for many Americans.
And there you are, wanting the very people I'd die for, to die in the streets.

Then do whatever you want. Why is your desires any of my concern?
 
No emergency room treatment for the poor.
Emergency room treatment for everyone. Just negotiate or get insurance.
No police.
Yes police. For obvious reasons
No firemen.
Yes firemen. Because we can't fight fires ourselves.
No car insurance?
Yes car insurance -- just not for everyone because everyone can't drive.

Jesus... no wonder you people are so into guns.
It'd take a hell of a lot of ammo to live in that world.
And one day you'd run out of food and have to come out of your foxhole.
It already takes a helluva lot of ammo to live in your world, problem is, you people can't defend yourselves.
 
Oh God yes.
Medicaid is poverty level.
A person can make 20 thousand a year above the cap and still not even be close to affording $1,000 a month for insurance.
Of course that amount varies based on many things.

It is the people stuck between affordability and welfare that suffer the most.
Under Obamacare, a family of four making $88K/year is eligible for assistance. Families making $150K/year are also eligible if they have a lot of kids. That doesn't seem right to me. I also don't like the idea of forcing people to buy something whether they want it or not.
 
Oh God yes.
Medicaid is poverty level.
A person can make 20 thousand a year above the cap and still not even be close to affording $1,000 a month for insurance.
Of course that amount varies based on many things.

It is the people stuck between affordability and welfare that suffer the most.
BTW, how much insurance do you get for $1000/month? How much is the annual deductible and does it cover more than one person?
 
Repeal it completely and start over doing things correctly. First we should add an amendment granting the federal government the power to be involved in the first place. IMO as it stands they shouldn't have a pony in this show. Secondly we should have a voluntary catastrophic care (life threatening illness/injury only) system that is funded by a flat tax for those that opt into the system. Third we should remove all for profit aspects from the system. Life or death decisions and treatments should never have a basis in profit margin.
 
I think it would be a good idea if we had an election over this issue.

Wait a minute--WE ALREADY DID. Obamacare won and is here to stay. Get over it already.
 
We should have brand-new voter ID laws every two years. Your current ID with a picture is not good enough. New driver's licenses every two years would be a nice source of income. Fraud would be prevented for citizens who become non-citizens.
 
Are you in favor of destroying this monster before it gets out of hand?

Remember, the oppression begins next January. Are you ready for it????

It seems pretty foolhardy to repeal something that 1) has high satisfaction in places where it has been deployed;

https://www.extendhealth.com/about/press-center/medicare-anniversary-satisfaction-with-coverage
Poll Shows Most Massachusetts Residents Like ‘Romneycare’ | Here & Now

2) was a long time coming;

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and 3) was designed by Conservatives.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes

Regressives seem to get their panties in a bunch at every time in history that we are poised to progress. Then again, it is the party of the silly and stupid.... how else would they shoot themselves in the foot to walk away from at least 6 senate election that they would have won if they could only put up a candidate with an IQ north of 100, yet they could not perform?

Cons need to let go of this and move on. Get a idea for once.
 
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Emergency room treatment for everyone. Just negotiate or get insurance.
Yes police. For obvious reasons
Yes firemen. Because we can't fight fires ourselves.
Yes car insurance -- just not for everyone because everyone can't drive.

It already takes a helluva lot of ammo to live in your world, problem is, you people can't defend yourselves.

See, you think this way because you only think of yourself and you "believe" that those are the social services that "YOU" might need.

Me, I can put out a fire a hell of a lot better than I can cut out my own colon cancer.

I'm a little shocked at your value for car insurance. Personally, I can replace a car.
But if I needed $2,000,000.00 for a serious ailment, I'd be screwed.

Let me ask you this... your for no treatment to the poor in emergency rooms.
But what if your mother or daughter had a heart attack while sun bathing alone?
No ID. No insurance card.
What if they let her flop around on the sidewalk like a dying fish?
Until she stank.
Would you say your mom got what she deserved?
 
Under Obamacare, a family of four making $88K/year is eligible for assistance. Families making $150K/year are also eligible if they have a lot of kids. That doesn't seem right to me. I also don't like the idea of forcing people to buy something whether they want it or not.

But we were discussing what was taking place prior to Obama-Care.
Prior to Obama-Care, for the uninsured, medicaid is all there is. And the cut off is extremely low.
Not so low if you have a child. But if you are single its pathetic.
And if you are a single small business owner that owns a home, you can not even qualify if you make 50 dollars a year.

Obama-Care is not for the people on medicaid.
It is for the people caught in between affordability and medicaid.

I like the Obama-Care limits. I think it is about time that the super wealthy give something back to the middle class.
But I can agree they are a tad high. I'd compromise for lower values.
I am an advocate for those that work hard, do all they possibly can, but can not afford it and are allowed to die and suffer.
So long as that group gets help, I am fine with lowering the eligibility.
 
Under Obamacare, a family of four making $88K/year is eligible for assistance.
They get a $1500 tax break, and only if they are not eligible for insurance from their employer.

If these individuals are not eligible because they are sole proprietors, they're already able to take their health insurance costs off their taxes -- unless, of course, the insurance agencies refuse to cover them in the first place, because of their age. Oh, wait, I mean "pre-existing conditions."


Families making $150K/year are also eligible if they have a lot of kids.
You mean, if they have twelve children. And they get a $2000 tax break from a $13,000 insurance bill. And only if no employer insurance is available.


I also don't like the idea of forcing people to buy something whether they want it or not.
So, I guess you won't get a mortgage, since the banks force you to get insurance. Or, you refuse to live in a state where drivers are required to have insurance.

And, of course, you could just not get it, and pay the penalty. Your hypothetical family of four will get a $600 tax penalty.
 
Why should I have to pay for their healthcare if they dont want to?

Because its a reality of the human condition they you and everybody else will at some point get sick or injured. At that point you in all likelihood will show up at your friendly neighborhood emergency room where you will receive expensive treatment with or without the ability to pay. If you do not have the ability to pay, the costs of your treatment will be passed on to others in the form of unfair higher costs in order to subsidize your treatment. To keep this from happening the conservative think tank, The Heritage Foundation, came up with the idea that everyone should be required by law to have healthcare coverage in advance. Ths idea was stolen by the Obama Administration and included in the healthcare law. Then shockingly conservatives sued the federal government unsuccessfully in court under the claim that their own idea that he stole violated the US Constitution. This led me to conclude a lot of (which is not to say all) conservatives simply learn the teams agenda and embrace it without having any true convictions of their own, think their own ideas are unconstitutional or they opposed healthcare reform for reasons other than their official stated claim.
 
Americans should have to state whether they want Obamacare. Feed it to the NSA databank.
If they don't want it, and insist on not buying health insurance, they should not be cared for on anybody's dime at the emergency room.
 
if you are a single small business owner that owns a home, you can not even qualify if you make 50 dollars a year.
even if you just bought the home and have very little equity?





I like the Obama-Care limits.............But I can agree they are a tad high. I'd compromise for lower values.
I am an advocate for those that work hard, do all they possibly can, but can not afford it and are allowed to die and suffer.
So long as that group gets help, I am fine with lowering the eligibility.
I don't think the government should be assisting the upper-middle class.





I think it is about time that the super wealthy give something back to the middle class.
The taxes in Obamacare apply to everyone, not just the super wealthy. That's one of the reasons why the unions, who previously supported Obamacare, are now turning against it. It also raises premiums.
 
So, I guess you won't get a mortgage, since the banks force you to get insurance. Or, you refuse to live in a state where drivers are required to have insurance.
No one is forced to buy a house or a car.





And, of course, you could just not get it, and pay the penalty. Your hypothetical family of four will get a $600 tax penalty.
Where did you get that # from? According to Forbes and Aetna, it would start at $880 and go up to $2200.
 
So what do you want to do with our current monster? You know the one, it causes most of the bankruptcies in the US and delivers third world results. It has been out of hand for years. What do you wanna do with that one?

Another liberal lie, it contributes, but nearly all of those bankruptcies were already gonna take place anyway. Why should responsible people take it up the ass so people that could care less about coverage until they were sick could have it?
 
no vote

why not just return to the conditions of the 1600s ?
Or, even the 1950s ?
Seriously, The ACA is but the first step, for our nation to join the rest of the civilized world.

Its the rest of the world that's failed to evolve into a free society.

So do we devolve into a Nanny State ?

NO
 
No one is forced to buy a house or a car.

But everyone IS forced to poses a human body.
Making it even more important that everyone has insurance.

Unpaid emergency room bills make it socialized already. We are all paying for it already.
If we have to pay for it, might as well give them decent care for our money.
 
Why should responsible people take it up the ass so people that could care less about coverage until they were sick could have it?

When I had a colon attack, I was in like flint, with my wife's BCBS.

Many of those waiting took up two full chairs when they sat down and had to turn sideways to pass through a door. And they so looked like TEAparty types.
 
ACA is a desperately stupid law and its all on the Democrats.

The overwhelming majority of people are going to pay the fine, as millions of people are going to qualify for Federal Subsidies.

And right around the time the Economy takes a huge dive ( and THATS saying something) , as the FED stops its QE, interest rates rise and people start to realize that ObamaCare has killed the 40 hour work week.

And Liberals have the nerve to defend it, to defend Obama, and then to say single payer in a failing economy is a better alternative.

Because math is difficult for them.
 
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