View Poll Results: REPEAL OBAMACARE

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  • Repeal immediately and completely. Repeal Medicare also.

    9 14.75%
  • Repeal within 2 years. Repeal Medicare also.

    0 0%
  • Repeal it and Medicare in whatever time it takes.

    0 0%
  • Repeal it. Keep Medicare like it is

    17 27.87%
  • Repeal only the individual mandate. Keep Medicare

    3 4.92%
  • Keep the individual mandate. Repeal the rest and medicare also.

    0 0%
  • Keep Obamacare like it is. I love it.

    11 18.03%
  • Keep Obamacare, but NO care for non-citizens.

    0 0%
  • Keep Obamacare, but NO care for illegal aliens.

    4 6.56%
  • Other (specify)

    17 27.87%
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    The reason people go wait in the ER is because there is NO clinic system to speak of in the US. Not all doctors are bad guys, in fact, i work closely with dozens and almost all are good guys, but our system is still based on profit. That is really not an arguable point. We have all kinds of facilites for the profitable stuff, but if it aint profitable, it is scarce. If you are a poor person in the inner city and you get pneumonia you will go to the ER, the Doc will write a script for abx, the patient wont have to cash to fill the script and will come back when they cant breathe. So insted of the $20 for abx it will cost thousands if the patient doesnt die or even if he does. So we, the rest of us with money, pay bizillions for something that could have been avereted with $20.
    You ignored my questions about Medicaid and free clinics.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    There are not enough free clinics to make a difference AEB all the pateints in the ER, and medicaid takes time to sign up for. I dont know the exact qualifiations but I imagine you can make too much to qualify for it and still not be able to afford healthcare.
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    You ignored my questions about Medicaid and free clinics.
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    There are not enough free clinics to make a difference AEB all the pateints in the ER, and medicaid takes time to sign up for. I dont know the exact qualifiations but I imagine you can make too much to qualify for it and still not be able to afford healthcare.
    Do you still assert that these amount to 3rd world care?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Yes, if you live in an inner city and have no means to pay your health care is not as good as in some third world countries. Why do you keep asking?
    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Do you still assert that these amount to 3rd world care?
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    #2 is blatantly false. No health insurance =/= no health care.
    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Actually, no it is not. If you add or no ability to pay. Then we are thrid world.
    MPG you are absolutely wrong.
    And I can tell you have never been seriously ill while having no health care.

    There are dozens of Nations considered third world that have far better health care for the poor.
    Take Cuba for example.

    In America, you are completely out of luck if you are uninsured.
    I have lived it both ways. As a (small) small business owner, I had no employer to provide coverage. Without the combination of Obama care AND my private insurance, I'd be well under way to stage 2 cancer by now.
    I have a very powerful personal story but I plan to write a large paper on that sometime in the future and I am not going to "half ass" explain it now.

    Until you try to get help for your colon cancer or whatever ales you while having no insurance, you really just have no idea how pathetic "the emergency" room is as a solution. Need a stage 1 cancer removed? They'll take your blood pressure.... that is about it.

    The Right seems so hideously cruel to me. But I guess maybe that some of them are simply like you, not a bad person at all, just someone that fails to realize just how bad the uninsured have it.
    Its not that they "are" treated like 3rd world patients. They could only dream to be treated so well.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Repeal Obamacare and replace it with a single payer health care system.
    It would be the better system. But I'd settle for them just getting to work moving forward with what was started. It's not perfect, as most first steps aren't, but it is at least a first step.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You are getting health insurance. And trust it comes in handy when you walk into a heart transplant center as a patient.
    Trust me, it's un-American to tell citizens how they're going to receive their healthcare.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    As they say in Missouri - show me.
    With what, a crystal ball? Have you categorically refrained from predictions? Or do Missourians only apply this standard with negative predictions -- or for things they dislike?

    Any major policy change involves uncertainties. What we can say is that the status quo isn't working. Premiums and costs spent years soaring; medical issues contribute to nearly half of all bankruptcies; employers are paying through the nose for insurance, and/or charging employees for it; care is only great for those who can afford to pay for it, and that's becoming a smaller slice of the pie.

    And again: We can see that while Romneycare hasn't made MA paradise, it also hasn't resulted in an economic death spiral (e.g. unemployment rate is around the same as the national rate since at least 2003). I do not claim that every state will have the same results, but it stands to reason that Obamacare will neither be as wonderful as its proponents expect, or as disastrous as its detractors expect.


    ....while calling for delay of the PPACA employer mandate, now tells us that 3 years is just not enough time to "implement them effectively". In other words, Obama is scared to death what economic harm....
    Is that why he fought not to delay the rest of Obamacare?

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Trust me, it's un-American to tell citizens how they're going to receive their healthcare.
    It is considerably more un-American to have second class American citizens that do not get half way decent health care.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    With what, a crystal ball? Have you categorically refrained from predictions? Or do Missourians only apply this standard with negative predictions -- or for things they dislike?

    Any major policy change involves uncertainties. What we can say is that the status quo isn't working. Premiums and costs spent years soaring; medical issues contribute to nearly half of all bankruptcies; employers are paying through the nose for insurance, and/or charging employees for it; care is only great for those who can afford to pay for it, and that's becoming a smaller slice of the pie.

    And again: We can see that while Romneycare hasn't made MA paradise, it also hasn't resulted in an economic death spiral (e.g. unemployment rate is around the same as the national rate since at least 2003). I do not claim that every state will have the same results, but it stands to reason that Obamacare will neither be as wonderful as its proponents expect, or as disastrous as its detractors expect.



    Is that why he fought not to delay the rest of Obamacare?
    Are you kidding me? What fight? No bill of the 40 introduced (so far) by the republicant controlled House has ever even made it to the Senate floor, much less requiring King Barack to whip out the mighty veto pen to "fight" it.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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