View Poll Results: REPEAL OBAMACARE

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  • Repeal immediately and completely. Repeal Medicare also.

    9 14.75%
  • Repeal within 2 years. Repeal Medicare also.

    0 0%
  • Repeal it and Medicare in whatever time it takes.

    0 0%
  • Repeal it. Keep Medicare like it is

    17 27.87%
  • Repeal only the individual mandate. Keep Medicare

    3 4.92%
  • Keep the individual mandate. Repeal the rest and medicare also.

    0 0%
  • Keep Obamacare like it is. I love it.

    11 18.03%
  • Keep Obamacare, but NO care for non-citizens.

    0 0%
  • Keep Obamacare, but NO care for illegal aliens.

    4 6.56%
  • Other (specify)

    17 27.87%
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Thread: Repeal obamacare completely

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You've been fooled since not one republicant vote was either needed or obtained to pass PPACA. PPACA was and still is a 100% demorat creation - where they "borrowed" some ideas from is not important.

    UHC, however, is not "universal", since many variations on that theme exist in the world. Perhaps if Obama (or his assigns) had ever actually written the "ObamaCare" bill then it would have been UHC (in some form) from the start. You can't fund over 12% of the entire ecomony with a 6% tax.
    When it was drafted, they were attempting to get 60 votes which required Republicans. Lieberman stopped single payer in its tracks.
    The heart of the bill is an exact replica of Romney-care. All the rest and everything that is different is not stuff that changes what the bill is about.
    There was no Democrat that truly wanted this bill. It was passed out of necessity due to the Republican blockage.
    Single Payer or any bill like it, would have required 60 votes. Romney-Care with its add ons is all that was passable with 50.
    I know you want to blame Dems so badly. But the fact is, without Republican blockage, we would have ended up with a much better bill.
    You have to give credit (or lack there of) to both Dems and Repubs, for this bill.

    As for funding, the Right latches on to the direct methods but never acknowledges the true drivers behind the savings.
    Drivers such as lowering everyone's cost once 40 million people are added into the system. And eliminating all of the emergency room waste and loss.
    And allowing so many Americans to be healthy, by allowing them access to a doctor and preventative care.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Are you in favor of destroying this monster before it gets out of han
    d?

    Remember, the oppression begins next January. Are you ready for it????


    This thread is flogging a dead horse.


    Obama care is not going to be repealed.

    What is going to happen is that, over time, it's going to morph into a single payer system.

    Don't think so?

    Take a look at how much success the G-nO-P has had so far with its time wasting attempts to repeal Obamacare, it will have no more success in the future.

    The GOP will be reduced to a minor, regional party and Obama care will still be the law of the land.

    Wait and see. Tell me your story thirty years from now.




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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    I really truly dont understand why American buisness isnt driving for UHC and get away from it being a corporate expense.
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Why should people be allowed to stay on their parents insurance plan until they reach the age of 26? So Sarah has a lump in her breast.
    Why should people with pre-existing illnesses have access to healthcare at reasonable costs? Remember the GOP primary? Let them die.
    What about the 47% Romney spoke about in private? You know, the lazy people who live off the government. They don't deserve healthcare.
    Why shouldn't insurance companies limit lifetime caps? They have to make a profit.
    Why not continue to allow the hospitals to care for the uninsured? I mean what's wrong with charging $1000 for an aspirin. Surely Oprah can pay that.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    In reality very few people really do come to US for healthcare. That is what is know as anecdotal data, just a few storires about an Arab princec and a Canadan politico have little effect on the entire system. Medical tourism in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This seems to focus more on cost than it does excellence and cutting edge break through.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Tweak it. Keep the pre-existing conditions coverage, individual mandate and allowing children to stay on parent's coverage till 26. Make it harder for people to cancel coverage tying mandatory coverage to the right to be treated at an emergency room.

    Replace health exchanges with or add to the mix hospital and doctor group flat rate memberships that compete with each other for annual membership enrollments deducted from their rent or mortgage and covers any and everything healthcare related for no extra costs. The only "insurance" involved are policies held by the hospital or doctor group to cover their costs in the event of a super expensive medical diagnosis of one or more of their members. Each hospital or doctor group may offer rebates to patients around Christmas time for meeting healthy lifestyle benchmarks; physically fit, low cholesterol, low triglycerides, no smoking, no drinking, no recreational drug use, etc. and everybody in the group gets a rebate if the group averages meet annual health goals all to incentivize prevention through both personal reward and peer pressure. Each group joins a national affiliated association that allows for treatment by doctors and hospitals that are out of town.
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    This thread is flogging a dead horse.

    Obama care is not going to be repealed.
    Oh it most definitely and easily could be repealed.

    It wont be repealed based on it's own merit, but let me just give you one out of hundreds of possible ways...

    Obama attacks Syria without UN approval.
    In retaliation Iran devastates Israel.
    Russia fires on Saudi Arabia.
    The US Navy fires on Russian Vessels.
    Russian vessels sink a dozen NATO ships and a nuclear submarine before being destroyed.
    Russia responds with unknown results.
    In the meantime North Korea takes advantage of the distraction and invades South Korea after nuking some military sites.

    The smoke settles.

    2016 comes around.
    Less than 30 Democrats remain in the Senate, Less than 100 remain in the House.
    And that Canadian is our new President.

    Sure this is all far fetched.
    But the point is that 2016 holds all the cards.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    When it was drafted, they were attempting to get 60 votes which required Republicans. Lieberman stopped single payer in its tracks.
    The heart of the bill is an exact replica of Romney-care. All the rest and everything that is different is not stuff that changes what the bill is about.
    There was no Democrat that truly wanted this bill. It was passed out of necessity due to the Republican blockage.
    Single Payer or any bill like it, would have required 60 votes. Romney-Care with its add ons is all that was passable with 50.
    I know you want to blame Dems so badly. But the fact is, without Republican blockage, we would have ended up with a much better bill.
    You have to give credit (or lack there of) to both Dems and Repubs, for this bill.

    As for funding, the Right latches on to the direct methods but never acknowledges the true drivers behind the savings.
    Drivers such as lowering everyone's cost once 40 million people are added into the system. And eliminating all of the emergency room waste and loss.
    And allowing so many Americans to be healthy, by allowing them access to a doctor and preventative care.
    How many of the 40 million added will actually pay their own insurance premium costs, much less extra to lower yours? I too can lower my electric bill by simply making others pay a percentage of it via a tax subsidy, but that only shifts those costs, it does not really lower them. Would adding folks to the electrical power grid lower power costs or lower total power usage?

    As for ER usage, it went up in MA after RomneyCare passed.

    Romneycare: More ER Crowding, Longer Doctor Wait Times - Forbes

    What Romneycare Probably Can’t Tell Us About National Health Care Reform | FDL Action
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    keep it and slowly but surely chip at things that dont work and add things that do.

    since the vast majority of republicans agree with like 80% of the bill it would be a complete waste of time to kill it. Wanting it killed is totally retarded.

    Now in the end maybe it gets a huge revamp but no need to scrap it and waste all that time and the agreements already made.

    Bottom line is its not going anywhere and its never going to get repealed so live with it and change it from the inside out, beating on the outside of it will be failure.
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    How many of the 40 million added will actually pay their own insurance premium costs, much less extra to lower yours? I too can lower my electric bill by simply making others pay a percentage of it via a tax subsidy, but that only shifts those costs, it does not really lower them. Would adding folks to the electrical power grid lower power costs or lower total power usage?

    As for ER usage, it went up in MA after RomneyCare passed.

    Romneycare: More ER Crowding, Longer Doctor Wait Times - Forbes

    What Romneycare Probably Can’t Tell Us About National Health Care Reform | FDL Action
    Did Romney care make the increase costs to healthcare slow as compared to the rest of the nation?
    I am thinking it did. But am not sure, therefore I am asking, not making a statement.

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