View Poll Results: REPEAL OBAMACARE

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  • Repeal immediately and completely. Repeal Medicare also.

    9 14.75%
  • Repeal within 2 years. Repeal Medicare also.

    0 0%
  • Repeal it and Medicare in whatever time it takes.

    0 0%
  • Repeal it. Keep Medicare like it is

    17 27.87%
  • Repeal only the individual mandate. Keep Medicare

    3 4.92%
  • Keep the individual mandate. Repeal the rest and medicare also.

    0 0%
  • Keep Obamacare like it is. I love it.

    11 18.03%
  • Keep Obamacare, but NO care for non-citizens.

    0 0%
  • Keep Obamacare, but NO care for illegal aliens.

    4 6.56%
  • Other (specify)

    17 27.87%
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yet that was not what the demorats offered us up now was it?

    It b=never ceases to amaze me that the biggest imaginable mess is accepted simply because people kid themsleves into thinking it is a "first step" toward something wonderful. Why trust those that will not tell you, up front, what the "better deal" that is "comming soon" really is?
    You've been told.
    The Democrats only used the Republican version to get the votes they needed for it to pass.
    It has been clear from the start that the eventual goal is Universal Health Care.
    O'Romney-Care was never what the Dems wanted. And you know this.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Repeal Obamacare and replace it with a single payer health care system.
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Single payer or single borrower? Tell me how (and by who) that would be funded, exactly. The devil is in the details, all plans sound wonderful until you see the actual costs and benefits. Would "single payer" cover eyes and teeth too? That seems to be absent from PPACA since few people ever need health services related to problems with those omitted (rarely used?) body parts.
    dental / vision is a good question. Ideally, it would cover all basic, essential care as health insurance is supposed to.

    As for how we pay for it, we pay for it with taxes and changing our priorities. For example, no more pro bono global police missions. It's someone else's turn. Also, this will make our businesses more productive and competitive, as they won't have to provide health insurance any more. Single payer will also have leverage to force costs down.

    It's the best option that I've seen.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    A couple of things I disagree with. the first one is our system is not the best in the world, even for the rich and insured. The best would spend a lot more time and energe on prevention. We do have the most profitable. They dont realize how much money will be saved because they are told the opposite by the RW leaders, the ER's are just a small part of the problme. I guess I just completely agree with you, and then some.
    I'm glad you mostly agree, however, we do most definitely have the best care in the world for the rich and insured.
    I mean how often do you hear about rich people being flown to Europe or Canada for advanced cutting edge treatments? Maybe it has happened. But I guarantee you that more come here from all around the world.
    We must do something for the rest of the Nation. But we need to be sure we keep our excellence at the same time.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    The country with the most medical tourist is India for both quality and value.
    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    I'm glad you mostly agree, however, we do most definitely have the best care in the world for the rich and insured.
    I mean how often do you hear about rich people being flown to Europe or Canada for advanced cutting edge treatments? Maybe it has happened. But I guarantee you that more come here from all around the world.
    We must do something for the rest of the Nation. But we need to be sure we keep our excellence at the same time.
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    The country with the most medical tourist is India for both quality and value.
    I have never even heard this before. Do you have any type of a link?
    India is one of the few industrialized nations with even worse care for their poor than the United States. So its hard to fathom.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    You've been told.
    The Democrats only used the Republican version to get the votes they needed for it to pass.
    It has been clear from the start that the eventual goal is Universal Health Care.
    O'Romney-Care was never what the Dems wanted. And you know this.
    You've been fooled since not one republicant vote was either needed or obtained to pass PPACA. PPACA was and still is a 100% demorat creation - where they "borrowed" some ideas from is not important.

    UHC, however, is not "universal", since many variations on that theme exist in the world. Perhaps if Obama (or his assigns) had ever actually written the "ObamaCare" bill then it would have been UHC (in some form) from the start. You can't fund over 12% of the entire ecomony with a 6% tax.
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    In reality very few people really do come to US for healthcare. That is what is know as anecdotal data, just a few storires about an Arab princec and a Canadan politico have little effect on the entire system. Medical tourism in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    I have never even heard this before. Do you have any type of a link?
    India is one of the few industrialized nations with even worse care for their poor than the United States. So its hard to fathom.
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    dental / vision is a good question. Ideally, it would cover all basic, essential care as health insurance is supposed to.

    As for how we pay for it, we pay for it with taxes and changing our priorities. For example, no more pro bono global police missions. It's someone else's turn. Also, this will make our businesses more productive and competitive, as they won't have to provide health insurance any more. Single payer will also have leverage to force costs down.

    It's the best option that I've seen.
    Correction: it is the best option that you have yet to see.
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    no vote
    why not just return to the conditions of the 1600s ?
    Or, even the 1950s ?
    Seriously, The ACA is but the first step, for our nation to join the rest of the civilized world.
    Exactly.

    What Republicans don't seem to understand is we too can be teetering on the brink of financial insolvency like so much of the civilized world.

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