View Poll Results: REPEAL OBAMACARE

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  • Repeal immediately and completely. Repeal Medicare also.

    9 14.75%
  • Repeal within 2 years. Repeal Medicare also.

    0 0%
  • Repeal it and Medicare in whatever time it takes.

    0 0%
  • Repeal it. Keep Medicare like it is

    17 27.87%
  • Repeal only the individual mandate. Keep Medicare

    3 4.92%
  • Keep the individual mandate. Repeal the rest and medicare also.

    0 0%
  • Keep Obamacare like it is. I love it.

    11 18.03%
  • Keep Obamacare, but NO care for non-citizens.

    0 0%
  • Keep Obamacare, but NO care for illegal aliens.

    4 6.56%
  • Other (specify)

    17 27.87%
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Thread: Repeal obamacare completely

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Hint- You already invaded us once, but it didn't turn out so well.
    Seriously, US military spending is WAY over what's needed to maintain the number 1 position. You outspent the USSR into oblivion, won the cold war, it's time to knock it back some notches before you outspend yourselves into oblivion.

    "The United States spends 58 percent of the total defense dollars paid out by the world's top 10 military powers, which combined for $1.19 trillion in military funding in 2011. With its unparalleled global reach, the US outspends China, the next-biggest military power, by nearly 6-to-1."

    if we cut back dramatically, would it help or hurt the economy?

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Repeal Obama care and with respect to Medicare reform it.
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    I've yet to hear anyone put forth a number that represents the savings the entire system will experience once there are no longer unpaid bills.
    Especially from the hospital side.

    I have another for you too.
    I had a $14,500 dollar surgery. But I was first billed $108,000 before my insurance negotiated the price down.
    Now... if I had no insurance, $108.000.00 is what I would have owed.
    When I did not pay, they would have written off the 108 thousand on their taxes.
    Multiply that scenario times millions of cases and that is what is happening everywhere around the Nation.
    Hospitals are faking their books. Not paying taxes. Showing loss on paper and money in their pocket.
    There will also be a sudden and rather large tax revenue coming from hospitals once they no longer show these fake losses.
    Hospitals will show the profit and then have to reduce their prices substantially, while also paying more taxes.
    CBO and JCT now
    estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA
    will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012–2021 period
    The key word there is "net".

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...0Estimates.pdf

    OK, so now we've gone from $176 billion/year to $108 billion/year. $108 billion is still almost 2x more than the repeal of the Bush tax cuts on the top bracket. They account for ~$55 billion/year if (a big if) they have no effect on the income of those people.

    CBO | Budget Infographic - Revenues
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Repeal Obama care and with respect to Medicare reform it.
    As ACA gets closer and closer to kicking in completely, the GOP is getting more and more nervous that it may become very popular despite their attempts to lie about it ... it's not going to get repealed, but it will be interesting to watch what happens when it is in full force ...

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Forget trying to repeal the ACA
    The house has voted 40 times to repeal and is just wasting the taxpayers money.
    It is not going to be repealed.


    Earlier this month, the US House voted for a record 40th time to repeal the Affordable Care Act
    <SNIP>

    A report from CBS news found that each Obamacare repeal vote costs taxpayers $1.45 million. So all 40 Obamacare repeal votes have cost American taxpayers a grand total of $54 million.
    BOR: Obamacare Repeal: Sillier and More Expensive Every Time

    A government shut down will not defund ACA.

    The tax subsidies to purchase health insurance, for example, are considered mandatory funds.
    “Therefore, the funds for such credits would continue to be available via permanent appropriation during a government shutdown,
    ” CRS [Congressional Research Service] concludes.
    While the IRS hasn’t gamed out the exact situation, the researchers believe “it may be likely that at least some of the eligibility and processing functions associated with payment of this credit might continue during a government shutdown.”
    - See more at:
    http://healthblog.ncpa.org/why-the-r...und-obamacare/

    Defunding the ACA is NOT an option:


    [SIZE=3}Defunding Health Care Isn’t Really an Option, Either,[/SIZE]

    The Wonk Room’s Igor Volsky explains. Boehner and Newt Gingrich have come out in favor of this option, but “that may be easier said than done. As former Senator Tom Daschle explained in a recent interview, ‘a lot of what we did in health care reform has more of an entitlement than a discretionary funding base.
    So as an entitlement, they would really have to change the law rather than simply not fund in order for it to be effected.

    The entitlement sections of the legislation are going to be fairly immune from defunding.[/B]
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Maybe you are too young to remember...
    But we heard all this before in the late 80's under Clinton when he first made employers pay for insurance.
    I was a part time stock boy at the time. And not long after this happened, I was promoted to full time and given insurance.
    "in the late 80's under Clinton" ??? What planet was that?
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I think it would be a good idea if we had an election over this issue.

    Wait a minute--WE ALREADY DID. Obamacare won and is here to stay. Get over it already.
    In other words "Communism is here to stay. Get over it already."

    I'm just not gonna do that, dude.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Obama care if enacted will bankrupt this country.
    Perhaps. ObamaCare is designed to fail, and when the fecal matter hits the fan the libs will blame the greedy private insurance companies and demand that the government take over health insurance with a single-payer plan. Then when that fails, they will double down and insist on the government taking over the delivery of health care itself. That will reduce us to the dependent status of an Indian reservation and we will be well on the way to the perfect liberal view of a three tiered society: shepherds to make the decisions, sheepdogs to enforce those decisions, and sheep to be sheared.
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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    The key word there is "net".

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...0Estimates.pdf

    OK, so now we've gone from $176 billion/year to $108 billion/year. $108 billion is still almost 2x more than the repeal of the Bush tax cuts on the top bracket. They account for ~$55 billion/year if (a big if) they have no effect on the income of those people.

    CBO | Budget Infographic - Revenues
    I still do not see the unknown variables reflected into the estimate.
    But again, for the purpose of debate lets just assume they and you, are correct.

    How much is an American life worth?
    108,000,000,000.000 per year is what you say it will increase by.
    And if it would save 45,000 American citizen's lives per year.
    That makes an American's life worth 2,400,000.00
    With about 100,000,000.00 Americans paying income tax each year, that makes an American life worth around 24 cents.

    For 24 cents from each tax payer, we can prevent these 45,000 deaths each year.

    Now I might not feel that everyone's life is worth 24 cents. But I would still pay it to save them.

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    Re: Repeal obamacare completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    "in the late 80's under Clinton" ??? What planet was that?
    Excuse me. Early 90's.
    My mistake.
    Point still stands though.

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