Boo Radley
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did you even read her post?
I did.
did you even read her post?
I did.
Once again (for the fourth time in this thread) - I am not saying "it's not."
Maybe if I don't write a bunch of stuff after saying that you'll get it.
then you need to work on your comprehension skills
That's fair - but you only know I'm a conservative because I self-identify here as such. If you believe that you have experience here that leads you to believe that all white conservatives are racists, then you are acting on your experience and that's all a person can do. My example was far more focused than yours was. In my example, it would be racism if the store owner mistrusted young black men in every situation, not just the situation in his own store. In your example, you've based your assumption on me, personally, not me, situationally - that's the difference I was trying to outline.
I appreciate you actually considering my point of view. Just so you know I do not dismiss yours. I understand how it can appear as just practical or realistic. However, I think there is a greater goal to contribute to here and i believe we all have a greater obligation to it if we as individuals are going to progress equality. That is, that I should no sooner assume that you a racist because you are a white conservative, even if I am surrounded by experience, than anyone else should first that all blacks are thugs until they prove otherwise. The majority are not.
Christ - again, I'm not ignoring it.
I'm trying to explore the entire situation.
Maybe I should say it this way: why do people respond differently when it comes to race? There's more to this than "I don't LIKE you because you're black." - there's a deeper, heavier topic that people are not thinking of at all. Instead, people are flopping around and freaking out, and not trying to understand what is truly going on.
How can you fix something if you refuse to understand WHAT it is?
But it is funny (maybe I should say ironic) - in recent situations, when violence is only acted out against whites - people claim there's no racism at all. . . but give a video of some random people treating a black person differently, then there's crime afoot.
Odd - and THAT - the entire 'differential treatment on all parts' makes me wonder what is going on in people's heads UNDERNEATH what we are seeing. If wanting to talk about this deep underneath is a PROBLEM then we're ****ed - and stuck existing in this **** climate where race is considered the only center of anything bad and we don't clime out of our nation's own version of the dark ages.
Obvious to me that 'having a real conversation about race' really means 'let's only look at everything through a 'you're racist!' lens' rather than 'let's try to understand everything that's going on in people's heads.
I see that everyone else is watering it down by pointing fingers to the 'you're just a racist bitch' easy out.
People - though - are more complicated. . . can't deny that.
For example: how different would things be if they were in a predominately black area, and set this up with two white offenders and one black?
No, they are clearly not. Why would you even bother arguing to the contrary?
I was being sarcastic. I just couldn't believe you thought it was necessary to say that.
Given that the video is accurate, it's reasonable to assume that the witnesses felt the actions (or presence, or whatever) of the black thief were worse and worthy of response than those of the white thief, even as the actions were identical.
uh, earlier you wrote
This implies that the people viewing the incident were the same ...
Nope that's just what you read into it. It's amazing how people think studies can only work if only the same subjects encounter the same environmental factors.
1) "it's reasonable to assume that the witnesses felt the actions of the black thief were worse and worthy of response than those of the white thief"
No creative reading necessary. You're directly comparing their reaction to both incidents and deducing they felt one was worse. Clearly "they" could not decide one was worse unless they viewed both
2) Yes, it's very important to control for variables in any "study". And a huge variable here would be the individuals in question.
You don't know how studies are conducted. For medical studies the same people are not exposed to both the drugs and the placebos. Large sample groups are used.
Clearly one of the large variables here, since we are measuring individual human interactions, is the individual themselves. Because we can't say someone acted differently between individual 1) and 2) when the didn't didn't even interact with them
Re-read your post slowly (I chose the part that I interpreted to be the heart of your post), read it from the perspective of someone not in your head with attention to grammar and syntax, because the result is coming across as gibberish.
I voted yes but didn't watch the video.
If you have to ask, the answer is probably yes.
Similarly, "I'm not racist, but..." is invariably followed by something racist.
The show was edited obviously and to come to any conclusion is to take the bate of the writers. If this was a study linked too by a poster the very pseudoscience nature of the study would be ripped to pieces. Just because this was on tv makes things no different. This wasnt a real study at all therefor no real conclusion can be made from this piece of entertainment.
I posted this video on another thread, but I think it deserves its own discussion.
This is a direct, yes-or-no question: Does racism occur in this video?
/shrug don't know, don't care. If I had seen either stealing it, would of called the cops. But like usual in these things, notice the differences in dress and appearance of the two. White guy, jeans, regular sized T-shirt, hat on backwards while working. Black guy, pants sagging, oversized shirt, hat on crooked like gangbanger style. Hmm, which would draw more attention? Try dressing the white guy the same as the black guy and then see what happens. Is it really the persons race or the social perception of the way they are dressed?
Well nobody (I really, really hope) actually thinks the show is legit. It's just a discussion piece, as in "Given that the following actually happened as is, is this racism?"