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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I appreciate you actually considering my point of view. Just so you know I do not dismiss yours. I understand how it can appear as just practical or realistic. However, I think there is a greater goal to contribute to here and i believe we all have a greater obligation to it if we as individuals are going to progress equality. That is, that I should no sooner assume that you a racist because you are a white conservative, even if I am surrounded by experience, than anyone else should first that all blacks are thugs until they prove otherwise. The majority are not.
    And I agree with that - but if you link back to the OP and the video shown, you'd have to admit that the white people didn't assume the black youth was a thug - they asked him questions such as "is that your bike?" - they were suspicious, but the other white people were also suspicious of the white youth and asked him similar questions. What I noticed, and perhaps you didn't, or maybe I put more emphasis on it, was that when the white people asked the white youth questions, he was pretty cryptic in his answers, not flat out saying he was stealing the bike whereas the black youth flat out admitted he was stealing it by saying things like "no, but it will be mine soon".

    There is so much not revealed in this video, so much context unknown, that it's convenient to claim they are a bunch of racists when in fact they're not. I don't think anyone has claimed that the three black women are racists even though they let the white youth go without trying to stop him and they said, when interviewed, that if it was a black youth they would have thought he was stealing the bike. The three black women had the exact same reaction to the situation as the white people did but in yours and other's views, only the white people are racists. Could it not simply be that all of these people have experience that tells them that young black youth are more likely to be stealing the bike than young white youth? Could they simply be reacting to their experience in life and not out of any racial animous or hatred?
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    Re: Is this racist?

    Racist? OH NO! Don't be ridiculous! There's absolutely no racism here!


    But hey ...I got a good look at that black kid who seemed to be stealing that bike.
    He looked like he was up to no good.
    He looked like he was on drugs or something.
    Something about him wasn't right.
    At one point I think he had his hand in his waist-band.
    These assholes always get away...
    Someone should have shot him in self defense.
    Where is Zimmerman when we need him???



    /sarc

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Christ - again, I'm not ignoring it.

    I'm trying to explore the entire situation.

    Maybe I should say it this way: why do people respond differently when it comes to race? There's more to this than "I don't LIKE you because you're black." - there's a deeper, heavier topic that people are not thinking of at all. Instead, people are flopping around and freaking out, and not trying to understand what is truly going on.

    How can you fix something if you refuse to understand WHAT it is?

    But it is funny (maybe I should say ironic) - in recent situations, when violence is only acted out against whites - people claim there's no racism at all. . . but give a video of some random people treating a black person differently, then there's crime afoot.

    Odd - and THAT - the entire 'differential treatment on all parts' makes me wonder what is going on in people's heads UNDERNEATH what we are seeing. If wanting to talk about this deep underneath is a PROBLEM then we're ****ed - and stuck existing in this **** climate where race is considered the only center of anything bad and we don't clime out of our nation's own version of the dark ages.

    Obvious to me that 'having a real conversation about race' really means 'let's only look at everything through a 'you're racist!' lens' rather than 'let's try to understand everything that's going on in people's heads.

    I see that everyone else is watering it down by pointing fingers to the 'you're just a racist bitch' easy out.

    People - though - are more complicated. . . can't deny that.

    For example: how different would things be if they were in a predominately black area, and set this up with two white offenders and one black?
    I think you're right about how this discussion is really missing the point with its' focus on if it's racist or not and whether the witnesses in this video think black people are inferior, or more likely to be criminals. It really has to do with how we think about things in general. I think it is very perceptive of you to notice that

    However, I do want to point something out about your last remark. You seem to think that things would have gone differently if the area had been mostly black. You may be right about that but do you realize that would only reinforce what the psychologist said in the video? If peoples' reactions changed based on a change in the racial context, then that only confirms the psychologists claims about how race affects our thoughts and our behavior.
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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, they are clearly not. Why would you even bother arguing to the contrary?
    I was being sarcastic. I just couldn't believe you thought it was necessary to say that.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Maybe there should be more projects with fake crimes to punk 911. It's ok to do so IF it is for a good political agenda.

    Of course, the video is crap in terms of value not only for selection of different clothing - the whites in soft blue and the black youth in flaming red, plus the white guy with a white cap... plus very friendly white youths and defensive, aggressive black youth...

    But also there is no counter part of a white guy in a park predominately African-American.

    This was a white-guilt project designed to prove itself. I liberal teacher or prof being politically correct and incompetent. But, predictably, everyone just goes past all those flaws and debates this as if it is has any legitimacy because the conclusion is assumed accurate regardless of methodology.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I was being sarcastic. I just couldn't believe you thought it was necessary to say that.
    uh, earlier you wrote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Given that the video is accurate, it's reasonable to assume that the witnesses felt the actions (or presence, or whatever) of the black thief were worse and worthy of response than those of the white thief, even as the actions were identical.
    This implies that the people viewing the incident were the same ...

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    uh, earlier you wrote



    This implies that the people viewing the incident were the same ...
    Nope that's just what you read into it. It's amazing how people think studies can only work if only the same subjects encounter the same environmental factors.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Nope that's just what you read into it. It's amazing how people think studies can only work if only the same subjects encounter the same environmental factors.
    1) "it's reasonable to assume that the witnesses felt the actions of the black thief were worse and worthy of response than those of the white thief"

    No creative reading necessary. You're directly comparing their reaction to both incidents and deducing they felt one was worse. Clearly "they" could not decide one was worse unless they viewed both

    2) Yes, it's very important to control for variables in any "study". And a huge variable here would be the individuals in question.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1) "it's reasonable to assume that the witnesses felt the actions of the black thief were worse and worthy of response than those of the white thief"

    No creative reading necessary. You're directly comparing their reaction to both incidents and deducing they felt one was worse. Clearly "they" could not decide one was worse unless they viewed both

    2) Yes, it's very important to control for variables in any "study". And a huge variable here would be the individuals in question.
    You don't know how studies are conducted. For medical studies the same people are not exposed to both the drugs and the placebos. Large sample groups are used.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You don't know how studies are conducted. For medical studies the same people are not exposed to both the drugs and the placebos. Large sample groups are used.
    Yes, I more than understand how studies are conducted, and those large samples are chosen to directly minimize variables that will impact the outcome of the study. Here you're trying to deduce if people are acting in a racist manner. Clearly one of the large variables here, since we are measuring individual human interactions, is the individual themselves. Because we can't say someone acted differently between individual 1) and 2) when the didn't didn't even interact with them

    If that goes over your head, I honestly don't know what to tell you, besides you should probably just walk away from the discussion

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