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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Again I must comment that the lack of understanding about what 'racism' is, is utterly amazing. No wonder it's thrown around so much, as so few actually have a clue what it is.
    Why don't you enlighten us then

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yes they are.

    No, they are clearly not. Why would you even bother arguing to the contrary?

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    At approximately 12 minutes, the psychologist himself gives the reason. Roughly paraphrased: "This kind of situation goes on all the time. You associate blacks with crime, and whites with being good." That is NOT racism. Even the two black women early on say, "Whites don't usually run around with burglary tools." That is NOT racism. Call it stereotyping...call it profiling. But. It is not racism.

    I'll go on to say that the white guy had, probably, 30+ pounds on the black kid. That makes a significant difference in one's likelihood to confront a thief. It was quite apparent that many of the people passing the white kid thought he was stealing the bike. The question then becomes, "Why didn't more people confront him?" That is the real difference in the video. Why didn't more people confront him? NOT why did people think he wasn't stealing the bike.
    The video is meant to illustrate how people judge others based on their appearance. The pretty girl got lots of help, the white kid was given the benefit of the doubt by 99 out of 100 passersby and the black kid had a mob surrounding him in a matter of minutes.

    Here is the thing I found odd about that. The black kid was often very respectful, calling one man sir as the guy was walking away with his tools. The white kids responses where snarky and threatening yet only two people challenged him. In addition, the level of anger in the voices of the people who challenged the black kid was glaring and in disproportion to the event at hand. So where exactly did that hostility come from? They came in with it.

    It you do not want to call it an example of racist thinking, which it is, call it an example of white privilege. The white kid was given the benefit of the doubt because he was a clean cut white kid, the black kid was a clean cut black kid who was not given the same benefit of the doubt.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    The video is meant to illustrate how people judge others based on their appearance. The pretty girl got lots of help, the white kid was given the benefit of the doubt by 99 out of 100 passersby and the black kid had a mob surrounding him in a matter of minutes.

    Here is the thing I found odd about that. The black kid was often very respectful, calling one man sir as the guy was walking away with his tools. The white kids responses where snarky and threatening yet only two people challenged him. In addition, the level of anger in the voices of the people who challenged the black kid was glaring and in disproportion to the event at hand. So where exactly did that hostility come from? They came in with it.

    It you do not want to call it an example of racist thinking, which it is, call it an example of white privilege. The white kid was given the benefit of the doubt because he was a clean cut white kid, the black kid was a clean cut black kid who was not given the same benefit of the doubt.
    I'm really amazed at the number of people trying to draw inferences from this. Why not just watch porn for tips on picking up women?

    "hey, baby I want to slap my balls on your face and open your butthole like a bag of fritos"

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    Re: Is this racist?

    The obvious differences in clothing skewers the matter. to jump past that clear problem is to begin by asserting racism and then drawing that conclusion.

    The female has to been taken out of the "racism" picture as many older men were raised to be gentlemen and most criminal-types are male. It comes down to the white youth and black youth. And different clothing was selected, as were the different attitudes and statements of both. The white youth was very smiling, casual, and unconcerned. The black youth was defensive, evasion and argumentative.

    I think "xenophobia" (difference) is more shown than racism, but there are too many variables.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    I have a couple of problems with the project itself.

    First, it is illegal to make frivolous calls to 911, and I would think that would include generating false calls to 911 by staging a fake crime. Whoever put this together should be ticketed for that.

    Second, making innocent people become the subject of someone's zippy pinhead seriously flawed political/social point video is wrong in my opinion.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - speak for the others . . . I wouldn't have been involved with anyone because I wouldn't have noticed. I don't make a habit of talking to strangers long enough to determine what they're doing, and if they should be doing it.

    There are a lot more people like me who walked by and gave no notice. . . and instead, these few who were involved to any degree will be labeled as racist - and unfortunately, some people would label me and any other white person as one, too, no matter what, purely because we share one trait. . . . and that pisses me off.

    Back to group appeasement theories - if they had one white person stand up and make a stink with #1 or #3 - would others have joined in? I think they would have. It would have been interesting to find out.

    Again - I'm discussing theories that are applied to social standards to understand all the many ways in which humans work. I'm not just focusing on the racist aspect of things. . .and that shouldn't be construed as anything other than taking a quantitative approach to examining the entire situation.
    The thing is, over and over again, no one stands up and makes a stink. Over and over again in these type of exercises, minorities come out on the wrong end. Not once, not twice, but over and over and over again. At some point you have to address the reason.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No.

    In my view, and perhaps you hold a different view, racism requires a certain level of irrational behaviour that is driven solely by a dislike for a person's race. It would be racism, in my view, to be the white owner of a store and deny blacks to shop there - that's just not good business and hurting yourself irrationally. It would not be racism, however, in my view, to be the white owner of a store and keep a close watch on young black male customers because in the past you've had trouble with young black males shoplifting or holding you up. That's just being smart and protecting your property and your interests.
    No. You can be quite rational while practicing racism.

    Take this definition:

    A common trait among the sociological definitions of racism is that they define racism backwards from its results. The results of racism include, among other things, social inequality based on apparent racial affiliation. Thus, anything that causes social inequality becomes racism, regardless of intent. This allows the possibility of unconscious racism, evident in the definition offered by the Christian Anti-Racism Initiative in South Africa:

    Racism is essentially a conscious or unconscious belief in the inherent superiority of one race over another\others and thereby the right by that race to use power to dominate.[5]

    Daniel Hindes - Essasys

    Or this one:

    Racism
    Is any action or attitude, conscious or unconscious, that subordinates an individual or group based on skin colour or race. It can be enacted individually or institutionally.

    Source: US Civil Rights Commission

    Defining Race Racism and Racial Discrimination

    You can be quite rational and do these things.

    Some people take loss of revenue as a cost of doing business, prioritizing one one thing over another. Sometimes this make very good sense. But it isn't irrational in and of itself. It's no more rational or irrational to ignore someone clearly stealing a bike.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    This instance makes it difficult to claim otherwise. The assumptions we carry influence what ends up happening society-wide.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm really amazed at the number of people trying to draw inferences from this. Why not just watch porn for tips on picking up women?
    "hey, baby I want to slap my balls on your face and open your butthole like a bag of fritos"
    WTF does that even mean.

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