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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    1.)Not exactly sure how you'd control that experiment, meaning how would you corral the same witnesses so that they witnessed the same exact crime in progress by two people equal in every aspect but race? Doing multiple experiments would get the point across sufficiently.

    Interesting if not entirely surprising abstract of a study that focuses on perceptions of black people in news media vs white people:

    Studies of media content consistently find that black criminal suspects are portrayed more frequently and more menacingly than white suspects in television news stories of violent crime. Here we investigate the impact of such portrayals on white viewers’ attitudes by means of a video experiment in which we manipulate only the visual image of the race of the suspect in a television news story of violent crime. We found, consistent with our expectations, that even a brief visual image of an African American male suspect in a televised crime story was capable of activating racial stereotypes, which in turn heavily biased whites’ evaluations of the suspect along racial lines. Thus, white participants in our experiment who endorsed negative stereotypes of African Americans viewed the black suspect in the crime story as more guilty, more deserving of punishment, more likely to commit future violence, and with more fear and loathing than a similarly portrayed white suspect. In the conclusion of the article, we discuss the implications of our findings for the study of racial stereotyping, visual images, and the intersection of race and crime in television newscasts.

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    1.) i dont think it can be done, at least not for a TV show.

    2.) well IMO this is obvious to anybody that watches TV or reads the paper who is honest and objective.

    i remember a very large drug bust in my local area, a police chief(white) went down, 4 officers (3 whit one black) from different departments, a dispatcher(white), 1 EMT (white), 2 firemen (white) random low lifes (about 20 mix of races but mostly black), 2 teachers (white), an athletic director (white) and a 80 year old white lady.

    this story took up a two page spread in the local paper with pics of everybody and the scandal and how it worked out.

    what was funny was the cover pic though. "Sting operation rocks the whole Hive" and under it was a pic of not the chief, not the 80 year old lady, not the teacher but of one of the low lifes. A black guy that look like your stereotypical movie crack head missing teeth etc. He was busted with 5 20$ bags of weed but some how he made the cover?????? LMAO

    also many people wondered if the others were set up but nobody talked about the guy on the front page lol.


    now does stuff like this make me mad? not really because many people also talked about how obvious it was they picked the pick of that guy, most people saw right through it.

    now this is just a personal story but i thought it was funny and related.

    me personally the 80yr old white lady makes the cover who was selling rocks, weed and shrooms out of an ally window. THATS NEWS lol
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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Racial profiling is not racism, it is just stupid and supported by people who do not understand how to use statistics or how profiling works.
    Racial profiling is in fact absolutely racist if the assumption is that one race is in worse than the other.
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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    How racial profiling, especially as demonstrated in the OP, does not qualify as racism is beyond me.
    Honestly, it depends on how you are defining racism. To me, racism requires a belief in the superiority of a race, or inferiority of a race, as a whole, to be racist. That is a high bar to prove.
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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    At approximately 12 minutes, the psychologist himself gives the reason. Roughly paraphrased: "This kind of situation goes on all the time. You associate blacks with crime, and whites with being good." That is NOT racism. Even the two black women early on say, "Whites don't usually run around with burglary tools." That is NOT racism. Call it stereotyping...call it profiling. But. It is not racism.

    I'll go on to say that the white guy had, probably, 30+ pounds on the black kid. That makes a significant difference in one's likelihood to confront a thief. It was quite apparent that many of the people passing the white kid thought he was stealing the bike. The question then becomes, "Why didn't more people confront him?" That is the real difference in the video. Why didn't more people confront him? NOT why did people think he wasn't stealing the bike.
    And that white girl looked like she could beat down both of the boys at the same time.
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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Honestly, it depends on how you are defining racism. To me, racism requires a belief in the superiority of a race, or inferiority of a race, as a whole, to be racist. That is a high bar to prove.
    Given that the video is accurate, it's reasonable to assume that the witnesses felt the actions (or presence, or whatever) of the black thief were worse and worthy of response than those of the white thief, even as the actions were identical.

    Personally, I thought it was clever that they made one thief wear a blue shirt and the other a red shirt as men and women reach each color as aggressive differently.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Given that the video is accurate, it's reasonable to assume that the witnesses felt the actions (or presence, or whatever) of the black thief were worse and worthy of response than those of the white thief, even as the actions were identical.

    Personally, I thought it was clever that they made one thief wear a blue shirt and the other a red shirt as men and women reach each color as aggressive differently.
    i noticed that too and wondered if it was on purpose and also thought thats what made it less of a controlled test.

    while they were dressed pretty similar colors matter too. Put the black guy in white pants and a pink shirt and pink, id bet theres a little impact.
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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Honestly, it depends on how you are defining racism. To me, racism requires a belief in the superiority of a race, or inferiority of a race, as a whole, to be racist. That is a high bar to prove.
    Excellent point. How does one define racism? I guess the dictionary definition is close to what you posit here. Personally, my definition of racism is a wholesale prejudice against blacks . . . I think people who have disdain for African-Americans in general are racist. Those who won't hire blacks are racists. Those who don't want them living next door are racist, et al. That's my definition of racism.

    Anyone espousing the dictionary definition is an idiot -- and a racist. IOW, the dictionary definition, in my opinion, doesn't go far enough.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Those who won't hire blacks are racists. Those who don't want them living next door are racist, et al. .
    How do you know they're not just profiling?

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Excellent point. How does one define racism? I guess the dictionary definition is close to what you posit here. Personally, my definition of racism is a wholesale prejudice against blacks . . . I think people who have disdain for African-Americans in general are racist. Those who won't hire blacks are racists. Those who don't want them living next door are racist, et al. That's my definition of racism.

    Anyone espousing the dictionary definition is an idiot -- and a racist. IOW, the dictionary definition, in my opinion, doesn't go far enough.
    If you go back and listen to the psychologist, he explains that many people associate black people with crime, and white people as good.

    Hard to say that isn't racist.
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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    How do you know they're not just profiling?
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    If you go back and listen to the psychologist, he explains that many people associate black people with crime, and white people as good.

    Hard to say that isn't racist.
    There's no question that some forms of profiling are racist. (Using my personal definition of racism.) The point is that, in the case of this video, I personally don't think racism was involved. The FACT that blacks commit far more robberies than whites can't be denied. If we're going to say that we have to ignore that? What kind of sense does that make? I'll answer for you: none at all.

    It may be politically incorrect to profile, but that's all it is: politically incorrect.

    There's a serial killer in the neighborhood. Let's ask law enforcement to spend equal resources investigating the 86-year-old grandmother as they spend on all the rest. Politically correct, don'tcha know...
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