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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Doesn't it? You act against someone based on race, isn't that really racism?

    Again I must comment that the lack of understanding about what 'racism' is, is utterly amazing. No wonder it's thrown around so much, as so few actually have a clue what it is.
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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    The problem isn't the discussion of reality it is that you want everyone to adopt your version of it.
    Well, the way I see it, 2+2=4. I'm a simple man and facts to me, well, are simply facts. If you have a way of making 2+2=5, more power to you.

    But I'm stuck here in the real world.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Again I must comment that the lack of understanding about what 'racism' is, is utterly amazing. No wonder it's thrown around so much, as so few actually have a clue what it is.
    Well, I'm pretty sure I know what racism is, and if it leads to more of a minority being arrested and less whites, I think that would fit any definition. And what we saw could very well lead to that type of injustice.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, the way I see it, 2+2=4. I'm a simple man and facts to me, well, are simply facts. If you have a way of making 2+2=5, more power to you.

    But I'm stuck here in the real world.
    Only this stuff really isn't math, is it?

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, I'm pretty sure I know what racism is,
    Based on your previous comment, that does not appear to be the case.
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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Based on your previous comment, that does not appear to be the case.
    Of course, you might read the rest of the quote you responded to in order to know better, and it would also explain the previous quote.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Well - apparently: Black men are more apt to be REPORTED when they're seen to be breaking the law.
    When you take classes covering quantitative social theory you see this constitutes for some of the skewed racial imbalance in crime.

    What I'm curious about is the people - and other social theories like group-appeasement. (Where one person stands up for what is right, and everyone joins in because the surface of the pond is already rippling. But if someone else doesn't stand up, then people are less likely to do so themselves and be the rock in the water.). If that very first person didn't confront the black kid - would anyone else have done so? Maybe they did, I can't quite tell where the video was edited and where it was not (surely, to just cut out time and people who did nothing, I don't think they cut out people who DID respond to #1 and #3 with gnashing teeth.)

    Look at the father in the first example: if he came across the black man would he have done anything else?

    Meanwhile - look at the outgoing white older man in the 2nd example: if he came across the first guy, would he have done anything else?


    For the girl: yeah - I don't think it would have mattered if she was black or white. She's pretty, her attitude was sort of sweet. That, by the way, is sexism.

    The older white man in the 2nd example, by the way, makes me think of our debate a few years ago on the term 'uppity' - see, white people can be uppity. LOL Because that's how I'd define his behavior.
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    Re: Is this racist?

    theres no real way to answer the question factually


    was racism or at least prjudice PROBABLY at play? absolutley

    is there any FACTUAL proof of that, no.

    theres no control group or constants.

    if they took the same people and the same situation then it be easier to see what was going on but we dont know maybe the same people that stood up would have stood up for everybody.
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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - apparently: Black men are more apt to be REPORTED when they're seen to be breaking the law.
    When you take classes covering quantitative social theory you see this constitutes for some of the skewed racial imbalance in crime.

    What I'm curious about is the people - and other social theories like group-appeasement. (Where one person stands up for what is right, and everyone joins in because the surface of the pond is already rippling. But if someone else doesn't stand up, then people are less likely to do so themselves and be the rock in the water.). If that very first person didn't confront the black kid - would anyone else have done so? Maybe they did, I can't quite tell where the video was edited and where it was not (surely, to just cut out time and people who did nothing, I don't think they cut out people who DID respond to #1 and #3 with gnashing teeth.)

    Look at the father in the first example: if he came across the black man would he have done anything else?

    Meanwhile - look at the outgoing white older man in the 2nd example: if he came across the first guy, would he have done anything else?


    For the girl: yeah - I don't think it would have mattered if she was black or white. She's pretty, her attitude was sort of sweet. That, by the way, is sexism.

    The older white man in the 2nd example, by the way, makes me think of our debate a few years ago on the term 'uppity' - see, white people can be uppity. LOL Because that's how I'd define his behavior.
    Once you realize this is done over and over again, making it much harder to be merely related to those types of quirks, it becomes clearly that we do in fact act according to race, and that this reaction has real consequences, mostly detrimental to the minority.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is this racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    theres no real way to answer the question factually


    was racism or at least prjudice PROBABLY at play? absolutley

    is there any FACTUAL proof of that, no.

    theres no control group or constants.

    if they took the same people and the same situation then it be easier to see what was going on but we dont know maybe the same people that stood up would have stood up for everybody.
    Not exactly sure how you'd control that experiment, meaning how would you corral the same witnesses so that they witnessed the same exact crime in progress by two people equal in every aspect but race? Doing multiple experiments would get the point across sufficiently.

    Interesting if not entirely surprising abstract of a study that focuses on perceptions of black people in news media vs white people:

    Studies of media content consistently find that black criminal suspects are portrayed more frequently and more menacingly than white suspects in television news stories of violent crime. Here we investigate the impact of such portrayals on white viewers’ attitudes by means of a video experiment in which we manipulate only the visual image of the race of the suspect in a television news story of violent crime. We found, consistent with our expectations, that even a brief visual image of an African American male suspect in a televised crime story was capable of activating racial stereotypes, which in turn heavily biased whites’ evaluations of the suspect along racial lines. Thus, white participants in our experiment who endorsed negative stereotypes of African Americans viewed the black suspect in the crime story as more guilty, more deserving of punishment, more likely to commit future violence, and with more fear and loathing than a similarly portrayed white suspect. In the conclusion of the article, we discuss the implications of our findings for the study of racial stereotyping, visual images, and the intersection of race and crime in television newscasts.

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