View Poll Results: What do you think of the laws banning atheist from some offices?

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  • Iím against it

    74 67.89%
  • it violates the constitution and should be removed

    70 64.22%
  • itís discrimination

    61 55.96%
  • itís bigotry

    47 43.12%
  • itís disgusting

    36 33.03%
  • I support this

    7 6.42%
  • it does NOT violate the constitution and should stand

    6 5.50%
  • itís NOT discrimination

    2 1.83%
  • itís NOT bigotry

    4 3.67%
  • itís righteousness

    6 5.50%
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    But see this is getting to the heart of John Locke's comment about why atheist should not hold
    public office, "they lack a moral compass."
    There is no atheist principle against lying, all of our moral authority is derived from religion.
    The religions authority represents the control group, without the control group,
    there is nothing to measure against, therefore no absolute right or wrong.
    I still think it would be wrong to discriminate against the person for their beliefs (or lack of),
    but just think that atheism has many of the same attributes of the other religions,
    and should be treated accordingly.
    this is factual not true, the vast majority of athiest have morals just like everyone else, one doesnt need religion to have morals and ethics
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Where in the constitution does it say states can not ban atheist from running for office?



    The No Religious Test Clause is found in Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that: "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

    You can read more about this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Religious_Test_Clause




    You really need to read about this and study it hard, you should have learned it in school.

    It's an important thing that every one who is a citizen of the USA needs to know.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    this is factual not true, the vast majority of athiest have morals just like everyone else, one doesnt need religion to have morals and ethics
    I am sure this is true, but the question is, which authority are those morals referenced against?
    Without a control group, there is no correct answer.
    If something is wrong, why is it wrong? most of our laws are traceable back to some level of
    religion.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    1.)I am sure this is true, but the question is, which authority are those morals referenced against?
    2.) Without a control group, there is no correct answer.
    3.) If something is wrong, why is it wrong? most of our laws are traceable back to some level of
    religion.
    1.) thats a meaningless question since an authority isnt required.
    2.) theres never a "correct" answer it all subjective
    3.) religion happening to line up doesnt mean anything than its another system that some people believe in, it again is subjective, tons of religious rules have no laws supporting them and vice versa
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The No Religious Test Clause is found in Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that: "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

    You can read more about this here: No Religious Test Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




    You really need to read about this and study it hard, you should have learned it in school.

    It's an important thing that every one who is a citizen of the USA needs to know.
    Don't have time right now, I'm just doing a drive by post between real life projects but the way I understood it this part of the constitution was only applicable to national candidates not state candidates. I'm really pretty sure about this but I will look into it this evening unless someone in the mean time does it for me. ( Hopefully)

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Don't have time right now, I'm just doing a drive by post between real life projects but the way I understood it this part of the constitution was only applicable to national candidates not state candidates. I'm really pretty sure about this but I will look into it this evening unless someone in the mean time does it for me. ( Hopefully)
    I'm not sure, but it looks to me as if the fourteenth amendment covers this:]

    The Due Process Clause prohibits state and local government officials from depriving persons of life, liberty, or property without legislative authorization. This clause has also been used by the federal judiciary to make most of the Bill of Rights applicable to the states, as well as to recognize substantive and procedural requirements that state laws must satisfy.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not sure, but it looks to me as if the fourteenth amendment covers this:]
    This is when we really get into the weeds. It is like the great ongoing debate on exactly what the 2nd amendment means. There is nothing in the constitution that specifically says there can be no religious test for state candidates. It is however very specific about national candidates so my take on this is they meant to give states more latitude in this area.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    This is when we really get into the weeds. It is like the great ongoing debate on exactly what the 2nd amendment means. There is nothing in the constitution that specifically says there can be no religious test for state candidates. It is however very specific about national candidates so my take on this is they meant to give states more latitude in this area.
    This is true. It may be a task of the SCOTUS to decide one day, when a state decides to have a religious test for state office holders and enforce it.

    I don't think it would fly, but then, maybe it would.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
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    There is no atheist principle against lying, all of our moral authority is derived from religion...
    That is utterly ridiculous. That would be like saying that religious people never lie because their religion tells them not to, which we know is obviously not true. Non-religious people espouse the same morality, the same sense of right and wrong, as do the religious, only they do not live good and moral lives out of terror that some vengeful, unseen deity will torture them for eternity if they don't. Non-religious people live good and moral lives because it is the right thing to do, because they care about the rights and well-being of others, and (like most people, religious or otherwise) because they don't want to end up in jail for breaking the law.

    I really don't understand the self-righteousness of some people who feel the need to label others as inferior or morally corrupt, not because of how they live their lives, but because they simply do not share their own religious belief. It is arrogance, pride, superiority personified, all of which, if my memory of Bible study is correct, are considered to be acts of a sinful nature, and not an acceptable part of living a religious lifestyle.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    That is utterly ridiculous. That would be like saying that religious people never lie because their religion tells them not to, which we know is obviously not true. Non-religious people espouse the same morality, the same sense of right and wrong, as do the religious, only they do not live good and moral lives out of terror that some vengeful, unseen deity will torture them for eternity if they don't. Non-religious people live good and moral lives because it is the right thing to do, because they care about the rights and well-being of others, and (like most people, religious or otherwise) because they don't want to end up in jail for breaking the law.

    I really don't understand the self-righteousness of some people who feel the need to label others as inferior or morally corrupt, not because of how they live their lives, but because they simply do not share their own religious belief. It is arrogance, pride, superiority personified, all of which, if my memory of Bible study is correct, are considered to be acts of a sinful nature, and not an acceptable part of living a religious lifestyle.
    I think many have misunderstood my statements.
    This has nothing to do with a person's morality, but the base on which that morality rest.
    Any measurement can only be in reference to something.
    Our laws, for the most part can be traced back the religious rules.

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