View Poll Results: What do you think of the laws banning atheist from some offices?

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  • Iím against it

    74 67.89%
  • it violates the constitution and should be removed

    70 64.22%
  • itís discrimination

    61 55.96%
  • itís bigotry

    47 43.12%
  • itís disgusting

    36 33.03%
  • I support this

    7 6.42%
  • it does NOT violate the constitution and should stand

    6 5.50%
  • itís NOT discrimination

    2 1.83%
  • itís NOT bigotry

    4 3.67%
  • itís righteousness

    6 5.50%
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Thread: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I understand what you are saying, it has been my experience that the people who
    are vocal about being atheist, are VERY passionate about their lack of beliefs,
    One might almost say zealous.
    Depends, I have seen both types. I have seen the atheist that goes along with their life, stays out of the way of others and is (for the most part) simply quiet about their views. I have also seen the militant atheist who is hell bent on forcing religion out of the public sight of society. Much like religious people, there are all types of atheists too.

    The interesting part is most people that consider themeselves "Chrsitian" that I have met personally, more fall along the lines of agnostics than Christians. They believe there is a higher power, but not all believe in the bible nor do they necessarily believe Jesus is their savior. Religion is quite an interesting subject to have with people.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Then you haven't met very many atheists.
    Obviously it's a generalization but I have family and even friends that are atheist and they are angry and bitter a lot of the time. One atheist friend brought me a 16 year old bottle of Scotch last time they came for dinner though so there is that.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, and Colorado as well, but is it really legal? Could I go to one of those states, buy up twenty acres, and start farming pot and selling it on the open market?
    I am actually in Wash state now, it is where I am retiring. I looked into growing pot but there are lots of hoops to jump through and I gave up on the idea. You can not even grow a plant or two for personal use because this is a blue state after all and they want their pot tax revenue.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Depends, I have seen both types. I have seen the atheist that goes along with their life, stays out of the way of others and is (for the most part) simply quiet about their views. I have also seen the militant atheist who is hell bent on forcing religion out of the public sight of society. Much like religious people, there are all types of atheists too.

    The interesting part is most people that consider themeselves "Chrsitian" that I have met personally, more fall along the lines of agnostics than Christians. They believe there is a higher power, but not all believe in the bible nor do they necessarily believe Jesus is their savior. Religion is quite an interesting subject to have with people.
    I agree, most people are what is called piccadilly Christians, they only pick the parts they agree with.
    I suspect this occurs in every faith.
    For the topic of this thread, the only way for a Politician to be denied office for being an atheist,
    is if they were outspoken about the issue.
    Besides what would be wrong about an atheist lying about what they did not believe in?

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Besides what would be wrong about an atheist lying about what they did not believe in?
    I would guess the principle of the matter, same as if it were required for a religious person to lie about them being not religious. Why should anyone have to lie to get into office just because some archaic people think that you have to believe in a sky god to do public service?

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Gotta love Constitutional wordplay. "No religious test should ever be required to hold public office except for this one." Just goes to show that the original framers aren't the enlightened geniuses we thought them to be, just flawed men who were products of their time.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I would guess the principle of the matter, same as if it were required for a religious person to lie about them being not religious. Why should anyone have to lie to get into office just because some archaic people think that you have to believe in a sky god to do public service?
    But see this is getting to the heart of John Locke's comment about why atheist should not hold
    public office, "they lack a moral compass."
    There is no atheist principle against lying, all of our moral authority is derived from religion.
    The religions authority represents the control group, without the control group,
    there is nothing to measure against, therefore no absolute right or wrong.
    I still think it would be wrong to discriminate against the person for their beliefs (or lack of),
    but just think that atheism has many of the same attributes of the other religions,
    and should be treated accordingly.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    But see this is getting to the heart of John Locke's comment about why atheist should not hold
    public office, "they lack a moral compass."
    There is no atheist principle against lying, all of our moral authority is derived from religion.
    The religions authority represents the control group, without the control group,
    there is nothing to measure against, therefore no absolute right or wrong.
    I still think it would be wrong to discriminate against the person for their beliefs (or lack of),
    but just think that atheism has many of the same attributes of the other religions,
    and should be treated accordingly.
    No, it's not that an atheist has no moral compass it is that they don't have one that is locked into a sky god book. To say that an atheist has no morals is utterly ridiculous. Hell, there are so called "Christians" out there that have been caught in scandals from the GOP to the Dems and they are supposed to have "morals" right?

    I'd rather elect an atheist now, than anyone in congress that thinks they are a "Christian" to be honest.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Then you haven't met very many atheists.
    id have to agree the atheists i know i would describe the vast majority of them as free spirits and among the happiest people i know.

    id also say at least 33% of them if not half describe themselves as atheist but they do think there is probably some higher power they just think nobody knows what it is and no religion has it right
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    1.) Well that's pretty ****ing ridiculous. I didn't realize some states still did that. The Arkansas one was particularly troubling, because of ones lack of belief in any deity they are not considered a competent witness and cannot testify in court . Whaaaat the ****.

    2.) Although it makes me wonder why some atheists get caught up in all the stupid meaningless **** like not wanting religious images on public grounds when certain states don't let them hold public office or testify as a witness in court. The latter is actually something worth fighting for, the former...not so much.
    1.) i agree and calling it that is being nice

    2.) extremist and idiots are going to exist in any group the problem is usually they have the loudest voices or get noticed the most and sadly we pay attention.
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