View Poll Results: What do you think of the laws banning atheist from some offices?

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  • Iím against it

    74 67.89%
  • it violates the constitution and should be removed

    70 64.22%
  • itís discrimination

    61 55.96%
  • itís bigotry

    47 43.12%
  • itís disgusting

    36 33.03%
  • I support this

    7 6.42%
  • it does NOT violate the constitution and should stand

    6 5.50%
  • itís NOT discrimination

    2 1.83%
  • itís NOT bigotry

    4 3.67%
  • itís righteousness

    6 5.50%
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Nice play on words but when you say other people are wrong you are wrong unless you can prove they are wrong.
    Nice play on words?



    It's not just me that says that they are wrong, the U.S. Constitution says that they are wrong.

    BTW: That's what I voted in the poll.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    So you're one of those people who insist that all atheists are exactly alike, but distance yourself from religious whackos who picket veteran funerals and burn Korans in the parking lot, right? Can we spell "hypocrite"?
    Not at all. I realize there are many radicals in all religions who do weird and even things we would consider disgusting. But we cannot attempt to defend a religion or the lack there of ad not realize that what we are defending is as diverse as ourselves. For example: The people deciding who can and cannot run for the political positions are not all religiously bias politicians. Many are actually trying to make it so that the people of that state are recognized for what they are. And if they feel that their better interests are not in supporting non-religious politicians, then it is their choice. LIke i said before to J, it is all about majority.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    Not at all. I realize there are many radicals in all religions who do weird and even things we would consider disgusting. But we cannot attempt to defend a religion or the lack there of ad not realize that what we are defending is as diverse as ourselves. For example: The people deciding who can and cannot run for the political positions are not all religiously bias politicians. Many are actually trying to make it so that the people of that state are recognized for what they are. And if they feel that their better interests are not in supporting non-religious politicians, then it is their choice. LIke i said before to J, it is all about majority.
    And yet the tyranny of the majority brought us slavery, segregation, and bans on interracial marriages. The constitution rather frowns on that, when the majority insists upon infringing on the rights and equality of others.

    Voters may use their ballots to choose those whose religious backgrounds they prefer. The state, however, may not disallow someone from even running for office because of their age, sex, gender, religious convictions... or lack thereof. So sayeth the constitution.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    How is a government school supporting a specific religious organization exercising freedom of religion? Whose religious freedom is restricted by ending the practice?

    On the other hand, giving official support to one religious group is an endorsement of particular religious beliefs.
    It is not the fact that the school is supporting the drive, but the oppression by the atheists that is the restriction talked about.

    For your first question, the schools have almost always been an outlet that the churches are able to use to practice their religion. The idea of giving is an important part of christianity, and by closing it off in the schools, you have restricted the access and by extension, the practice of that religion. And yes you could consider the giving in schools to be endorsement of a specific religion, or you could consider it common decency to give children gifts (which is a multi-religious idea) during the holidays.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    And yet the tyranny of the majority brought us slavery, segregation, and bans on interracial marriages. The constitution rather frowns on that, when the majority insists upon infringing on the rights and equality of others.

    Voters may use their ballots to choose those whose religious backgrounds they prefer. The state, however, may not disallow someone from even running for office because of their age, sex, gender, religious convictions... or lack thereof. So sayeth the constitution.
    Indeed it does, but you have to realize that unless you publicly call them out on it, politicians have a nasty way of getting around certain parts of the law.

    And to your part about slavery, segregation, and bans, it has and has almost brought us to war on multiple occasions. If you want it to start, march on washington with thousands of your supporters like MLK jr, or break the country in half and cause civil war like the south did. We're still waiting to see the big movement for same sex marriage.

    IF you want change, then you have to get up and do something about it. No one cares what people say on a political forum. What they do care about is action. That is how everything had to be done to get us here now, and its not going to change any time soon until it happens again.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    Indeed it does, but you have to realize that unless you publicly call them out on it, politicians have a nasty way of getting around certain parts of the law.

    And to your part about slavery, segregation, and bans, it has and has almost brought us to war on multiple occasions. If you want it to start, march on washington with thousands of your supporters like MLK jr, or break the country in half and cause civil war like the south did. We're still waiting to see the big movement for same sex marriage.

    IF you want change, then you have to get up and do something about it. No one cares what people say on a political forum. What they do care about is action. That is how everything had to be done to get us here now, and its not going to change any time soon until it happens again.


    I'm afraid you misunderstand me. I am not advocating a million-man march on D.C. to demand "atheist rights". I don't have to. The constitution already guarantees that I have the same rights that you have. If you are implying that this country will go to war in order to prevent that from happening, I'm afraid that's really a bit melodramatic. Atheists are no different than anyone else, except that when we live a good, kind life its because we care about our fellow man, no matter what they personally believe, and because it's the right thing to do, not because we fear some kind of divine punishment if we don't fall to our knees in fear of the wrath of an invisible deity who demands complete allegiance lest one suffer eternal torture for such insolence.

    If the "righteous faithful" decide to once again walk the streets in pitchfork-wielding mobs to lynch and burn those who do not believe exactly as they do, then we will probably get miffed enough to make a rather large and unpleasant scene on a national scale. Otherwise, the vast majority of us are too busy earning a living, loving our families and raising our children to be good citizens of the world to worry about such bigoted nonsense. If it comes to a significant legal challenge, I suspect SCOTUS, conservative majority and all, will support our right to exist with the same constitutional protections as everyone else. If not, then we will do as we have always done, live our lives doing the best that we can for our families, our communities and our country, just like the majority of Americans do regardless of their religious affiliations, or lack thereof.

    As for Same Sex Marriage, it's here to stay, and about time. I suggest people simply get used to the idea, then go on with their lives as well.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    sorry that doesnt answer the question
    can states rights say no women are allowed to hold office? blacks? gays? and you think thats constitutional?
    Are we talking about religion, or ever possible subject under the sun?
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    The federal government was never supposed to be able to trump the states, so yes, the states could say that and it be Constitutional.
    And that is why the system was flawed and you had a civil war.... states can not be trusted to do the right thing.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    "An eighth state constitution discriminates against atheists by affording special protection to theists only.
    Pennsylvania:
    "No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth."[88]"

    Unnecessary? Perhaps, but not special protection.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Good thing most of us are against it. One though voted for "righteousness."
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