View Poll Results: What do you think of the laws banning atheist from some offices?

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  • Iím against it

    74 67.89%
  • it violates the constitution and should be removed

    70 64.22%
  • itís discrimination

    61 55.96%
  • itís bigotry

    47 43.12%
  • itís disgusting

    36 33.03%
  • I support this

    7 6.42%
  • it does NOT violate the constitution and should stand

    6 5.50%
  • itís NOT discrimination

    2 1.83%
  • itís NOT bigotry

    4 3.67%
  • itís righteousness

    6 5.50%
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Thread: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    States do have states rights but they are limited they can have standards but not if it violates rights and or AA/EEO, thats where the line is drawn.

    what if the state is mostly male, black, gay, republican should only male black gay republicans be able to run?
    You seem to assume laws are stationary ideas. Laws changer all of the time, usually with the circumstances. If for one election or two or three or fifteen the majority of the state it black gay republican males (lol not likely all 4), then a representative who accepts and works for the best of black/gay/republican/males will be accepted as the basis of the states politicians.

    But after those elections if say in 5 or 10 years the type of person changes to i don't know white/straight/communist/females and the politicians who accepted and supported black/gay/republican/males now works for the minority instead of the majority, he's not getting reelected, and they might change the law to say only people who work for the better of the white/straight/communist/females.

    In conclusion its all for the sake of majority rules.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    1.)You seem to assume laws are stationary ideas. Laws changer all of the time, usually with the circumstances.
    2.) If for one election or two or three or fifteen the majority of the state it black gay republican males (lol not likely all 4), then a representative who accepts and works for the best of black/gay/republican/males will be accepted as the basis of the states politicians.

    3.)But after those elections if say in 5 or 10 years the type of person changes to i don't know white/straight/communist/females and the politicians who accepted and supported black/gay/republican/males now works for the minority instead of the majority, he's not getting reelected, and they might change the law to say only people who work for the better of the white/straight/communist/females.

    4.) In conclusion its all for the sake of majority rules.
    1.) of course not they move and change all the times and theres nothign in my post that even suggest this, in my op i even said id love to see somebody try to enforce this
    4.) i picked something obnoxious on purpose and yes they will be "accepted" but there should not be any law requiring that or blocking all those who are not male black gay republicans that was my point.

    the people can elected who they want every time but the law has no business stopping other people from running in many cases

    3.) which is exactly way no law should exist the LAW doesnt pick the candiate the natural voting process does. The law would block the people.
    For example say the law doesnt get changed in time and 90% of the people would vote for the white/straight/communist/female but now the law doesnt allow her to run so the people suffer. THis is way no law like this, based on grounds like that should ever exist.

    4.) majority does rule but majority doesnt get to infringe on individual rights, hence the ending of slavery, and the establishment of equal rights fro women, minorities and interracial marriage.
    80% of the US was againt interracial marriage when it was made legal, it didnt matter because it was an equal and civil rights issue.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) of course not they move and change all the times and theres nothign in my post that even suggest this, in my op i even said id love to see somebody try to enforce this
    4.) i picked something obnoxious on purpose and yes they will be "accepted" but there should not be any law requiring that or blocking all those who are not male black gay republicans that was my point.

    the people can elected who they want every time but the law has no business stopping other people from running in many cases

    3.) which is exactly way no law should exist the LAW doesnt pick the candiate the natural voting process does. The law would block the people.
    For example say the law doesnt get changed in time and 90% of the people would vote for the white/straight/communist/female but now the law doesnt allow her to run so the people suffer. THis is way no law like this, based on grounds like that should ever exist.

    4.) majority does rule but majority doesnt get to infringe on individual rights, hence the ending of slavery, and the establishment of equal rights fro women, minorities and interracial marriage.
    80% of the US was againt interracial marriage when it was made legal, it didnt matter because it was an equal and civil rights issue.
    ok ya that does make a bit of sense.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It's called states rights.
    That are unconstitutional... yes.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Quite a bit, so long as the federal government approves.
    Well it is true that the civil war put and end to any real states rights I'll give you that.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Well it is true that the civil war put and end to any real states rights I'll give you that.
    Yes, it did, pretty definitively. Federal law supersedes state law, doesn't it?
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, it did, pretty definitively. Federal law supersedes state law, doesn't it?
    I think there are exceptions such as Washington state just legalizing pot.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    I don't think it is constitutional per say, but states do have the rights to decide what standards they hold their representatives to. If those states believe that someone who is against the religion of the majority of the state wouldn't represent the best interest of that state and its people, then they have the right to set those regulations.
    Just because a person does not believe in the tenants of a specific religion does not mean that they are unable to represent the best interest of the state and its people, any more than a person who does believe in the tenants of a specific religion will automatically represent the best interest of the state and its people. How many fine, upstanding religious politicians have we seen mired in the scandals of adultery, fraud, greed, bribery, and dishonesty?

    The one thing nearly all atheists agree upon is a firm and scrupulous support of the constitutional right of all Americans to practice the religion of their choice, be that religion Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Mormonism, Hinduism, Buddhism, or no religion at all. It wasn't atheists marching with hateful signs to protest the building of mosques in NYC, Tennessee, and other places around the country. It was the staunchly religious, who were all for the freedom of religion so long as only their own religion was covered.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I think there are exceptions such as Washington state just legalizing pot.
    The feds did not respect State's medical cannabis laws and they could decide to ignore the new state legalization laws. They have chosen to not do that so far, but they can change their mind.

    The relevant principal with atheist bans is that the human rights protected by the constitution and amendments have priority over any federal, state or local law. That is my opinion and the Supreme Court has mostly agreed.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The feds did not respect State's medical cannabis laws and they could decide to ignore the new state legalization laws. They have chosen to not do that so far, but they can change their mind.

    The relevant principal with atheist bans is that the human rights protected by the constitution and amendments have priority over any federal, state or local law. That is my opinion and the Supreme Court has mostly agreed.
    Interesting how Obama picks and chooses which laws he will enforce and ignore.

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