View Poll Results: What do you think of the laws banning atheist from some offices?

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  • Iím against it

    74 67.89%
  • it violates the constitution and should be removed

    70 64.22%
  • itís discrimination

    61 55.96%
  • itís bigotry

    47 43.12%
  • itís disgusting

    36 33.03%
  • I support this

    7 6.42%
  • it does NOT violate the constitution and should stand

    6 5.50%
  • itís NOT discrimination

    2 1.83%
  • itís NOT bigotry

    4 3.67%
  • itís righteousness

    6 5.50%
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Thread: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You mean the civil war? The war that virtually ended states rights?
    But, but, but, the Civil War was about slavery!! Nothing else!! The Anti-Federalist papers were just someone's doodles.

    Gotta love revisionist history. I would wager that slavery wasn't even a top 3 concern during that time period. Sure, it probably was to the slaves, which is a no brainer. But to politicians, I'd say it probably wasn't. A good way to think of it is this. Nowadays, politicians don't even care about the poor of America. So if they don't care about actual voting citizens that are struggling financially now, do we really think they cared about a people that weren't even citizens and meant essentially nothing to their re-election efforts? I don't.

    This isn't to say that slavery wasn't wrong. It most definitely was. However, as it has been said before, I believe Lincoln used slavery as divisive issue that would put the Union in a positive light and the Confederacy in an "evil" light. Much like our current POTUS has done with Dems and the GOP (The dude thinks he is Lincoln after all). I don't believe Pres Lincoln really gave a crap about blacks much like I don't believe Pres Obama really gives a crap about illegal immigrants. They both just use them as issues that they know the other side is defensive about and will come across as callous and cold about. To be clear, the difference in this is that at least Pres Lincoln was in the right, even if his motives weren't pure. Pres Obama isn't in the right, per se. There are many ways we can tackle immigration that are humane and fair. But that's another thread.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    But, but, but, the Civil War was about slavery!! Nothing else!! The Anti-Federalist papers were just someone's doodles.

    Gotta love revisionist history. I would wager that slavery wasn't even a top 3 concern during that time period. Sure, it probably was to the slaves, which is a no brainer. But to politicians, I'd say it probably wasn't. A good way to think of it is this. Nowadays, politicians don't even care about the poor of America. So if they don't care about actual voting citizens that are struggling financially now, do we really think they cared about a people that weren't even citizens and meant essentially nothing to their re-election efforts? I don't.

    This isn't to say that slavery wasn't wrong. It most definitely was. However, as it has been said before, I believe Lincoln used slavery as divisive issue that would put the Union in a positive light and the Confederacy in an "evil" light. Much like our current POTUS has done with Dems and the GOP (The dude thinks he is Lincoln after all). I don't believe Pres Lincoln really gave a crap about blacks much like I don't believe Pres Obama really gives a crap about illegal immigrants. They both just use them as issues that they know the other side is defensive about and will come across as callous and cold about. To be clear, the difference in this is that at least Pres Lincoln was in the right, even if his motives weren't pure. Pres Obama isn't in the right, per se. There are many ways we can tackle immigration that are humane and fair. But that's another thread.
    Right,Lincolns stated goal at the beginning of the war was "to preserve the union". Nothing at all about slavery.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvincoolidge View Post
    It is constitutional because the language of the 1st amendment only regulates congress /the fed govt establishing an official religion. It does not regulate the states in any way whatsoever.
    So, Utah could adopt Mormonism as t he official state religion and give Mormons special privileges.

    Really?
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Right,Lincolns stated goal at the beginning of the war was "to preserve the union". Nothing at all about slavery.
    And, of course, the Emancipation Proclamation had nothing to do with it. It was just another executive order.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I would call this evidence of past discrimination. While these laws are on the books, simply challenging them would result in their nullification. As it should be.

    Quote honestly I don't think we should waste time or energy on this. Just get some white out and fix the obvious unconstitutional law.
    Do you have any proof that any of these states have used these laws lately? There are many stupid rules on many states but are they really used? I wonder. P.S. I am an atheist.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And, of course, the Emancipation Proclamation had nothing to do with it. It was just another executive order.
    I could be wrong here and I should Google it before I post this but I will throw caution to the wind. I believe that was well after the war started and the north was going squishy. He did that to prop up support .

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I could be wrong here and I should Google it before I post this but I will throw caution to the wind. I believe that was well after the war started and the north was going squishy. He did that to prop up support .
    Seems you're right:

    a panel of historians emphasized in 2011, "while slavery and its various and multifaceted discontents were the primary cause of disunion, it was disunion itself that sparked the war."[1] States' rights and the tariff issue became entangled iAs n the slavery issue, and were intensified by it.[2] Other important factors were party politics, abolitionism, Southern nationalism, Northern nationalism, expansionism, sectionalism, economics and modernization in the Antebellum period.
    Emancipation proclamation:

    The Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order issued by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863, as a war measure during the American Civil War, to all segments of the Executive branch (including the Army and Navy) of the United States. It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in the ten states that were still in rebellion,[1] thus applying to 3.1 million of the 4 million slaves in the U.S. at the time. The Proclamation was based on the president's constitutional authority as commander in chief of the armed forces;[2] it was not a law passed by Congress.
    So, slavery was one of several issues. This is interesting, too:



    Abraham Lincoln won the 1860 presidential election without being on the ballot in ten of the Southern states. His victory triggered declarations of secession by seven slave states of the Deep South, and their formation of the Confederate States of America, even before Lincoln took office.
    We heard of individuals threatening to leave the country if Obama was elected, but never of whole states leaving the union because they didn't like the president. Seems Lincoln was quite the controversial figure.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And, of course, the Emancipation Proclamation had nothing to do with it. It was just another executive order.
    I believe it was an example of political grandstanding. If you've ever read some of the transcripts of debates back then (Im sure you have knowing you), then you know that politicians were just as capable of grandstanding then as they are now. As I said before, Lincoln was in the right with the position he took. No doubt about it. I'm just saying that I don't believe it meant as much to him or the Union as it's been portrayed.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I believe it was an example of political grandstanding. If you've ever read some of the transcripts of debates back then (Im sure you have knowing you), then you know that politicians were just as capable of grandstanding then as they are now. As I said before, Lincoln was in the right with the position he took. No doubt about it. I'm just saying that I don't believe it meant as much to him or the Union as it's been portrayed.
    So, maybe politicians haven't changed all that much since Lincoln's time, have they? Maybe they've been the same since Og won the office of leader of the caves.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I answered the poll with: I'm against it, it's bigotry, it's discrimination.

    It's not necessarily disgusting, because it might be ignorance. Ignorance is only "disgusting" when it's willful.
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    I included "its disgusting" because even if it is ignorance, I find it disgusting that this ignorance persists, willful or not.

    edit: dammit, this is a zombie thread coming back from the dead.
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