View Poll Results: What do you think of the laws banning atheist from some offices?

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  • Iím against it

    74 67.89%
  • it violates the constitution and should be removed

    70 64.22%
  • itís discrimination

    61 55.96%
  • itís bigotry

    47 43.12%
  • itís disgusting

    36 33.03%
  • I support this

    7 6.42%
  • it does NOT violate the constitution and should stand

    6 5.50%
  • itís NOT discrimination

    2 1.83%
  • itís NOT bigotry

    4 3.67%
  • itís righteousness

    6 5.50%
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Thread: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    A very long decision to read right now but in the end it looks as though it was dismissed and the state was able to keep on keepin on.
    This was the finding of the case.
    We affirm the circuit court's holding that South Carolina Constitution art. VI, ß 2 and art. XVIII, ß 4 violate the First Amendment and the Religious Test Clause of the United States Constitution.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    This was the finding of the case.

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    Interesting, so why did the OP say that state is still doing it? Honest question, something doesn't add up.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    I'm completely apathetic to it.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Interesting, so why did the OP say that state is still doing it? Honest question, something doesn't add up.
    The op says that the laws are in the state constitution, not that the laws are being enforced.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    The op says that the laws are in the state constitution, not that the laws are being enforced.
    I don't know wolf but I would think if what the states are doing is against the law they wouldn't be able to do it.

    EDIT: I misread your post, good question, are they actually being enforced?

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't know wolf but I would think if what the states are doing is against the law they wouldn't be able to do it.

    EDIT: I misread your post, good question, are they actually being enforced?
    I didn't see any cases after Silverman v Campbell in 1996. So either they aren't enforcing, or no one has contested the law.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    I didn't see any cases after Silverman v Campbell in 1996. So either they aren't enforcing, or no one has contested the law.
    Be interesting to know more about this really, Agent should have done more research on this issue before posting. Maybe this weekend when I have time.....

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    really? so you are saying the state can violate the constitution as it sees fit? WHy do we have a constitution then?
    That's a good question. Why have a constitution, I mean. In Canada our constitution is a pretty recent development and I've been against it since it was proposed. My rights were well protected by British Common Law, which has evolved over centuries according to the changes in society, and will continue to change and evolve as needed, unlike constitutions which cause nothing but problems.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Now I’m not an atheist myself and I know many atheists that do believe in religion just don’t think anybody has it right but discrimination is discrimination and it amazed me that these things below are actually in state constitutions. I just learned this in another thread.
    The constitutions of these seven US states ban atheists from holding public office:

    Arkansas:
    "No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court."[81]

    Maryland:
    "That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution.”[82]

    Mississippi:
    "No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state."[83]

    North Carolina:
    "The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."[84]

    South Carolina:
    "No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."[85]

    Tennessee:
    "No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state."[86]

    Texas:
    "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."[87]

    An eighth state constitution discriminates against atheists by affording special protection to theists only.
    Pennsylvania:
    "No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth."[88]

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    That’s appalling to me and the purest form of bigotry and discrimination IMO. SO I’m curious where you stand.
    I’d love to see someone try to enforce this so it can be defeated and destroyed like it should, wonder if there are any recent cases of it.

    What do you think of the laws banning atheist from some offices?

    I’m against it
    it violates the constitution and should be removed
    it’s discrimination
    it’s bigotry
    it’s disgusting
    I support this
    it does NOT violate the constitution and should stand
    it’s NOT discrimination
    it’s NOT bigotry
    it’s righteousness
    This actually doesn't surprise me. Although I really doubt anyone would have the audacity to try and enforce these laws. Besides, I think these laws will be gone when my generation (millennial) becomes the majority of voters and gets old enough to run for office. A lot more of us are atheist/agnostic (they are different) and the ones that are religious are a lot more accepting of people who aren't IMO.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Ditto...now that is funny. "Demonstrate a knowledge of what is in it? Because somebody is atheist...there's a likelihood they don't know what's in the Constitution?

    Surely you jest...
    No, no, no.. that's not what I meant at all.
    What I meant was that, instead of swearing in on the Bible, why not swear in political leaders on the Constitution?

    Atheists may not know the Bible, but that's OK. What we need are politicians who know what's in the Constitution and then support it.
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