View Poll Results: What do you think of the laws banning atheist from some offices?

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  • Iím against it

    74 67.89%
  • it violates the constitution and should be removed

    70 64.22%
  • itís discrimination

    61 55.96%
  • itís bigotry

    47 43.12%
  • itís disgusting

    36 33.03%
  • I support this

    7 6.42%
  • it does NOT violate the constitution and should stand

    6 5.50%
  • itís NOT discrimination

    2 1.83%
  • itís NOT bigotry

    4 3.67%
  • itís righteousness

    6 5.50%
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Thread: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    seems like a good idea to me id be a little worried about the automatic part though, i think politicians would try to sneak stuff off. Not to make more work and more departments but if this was controlled id be all for it
    I suspect that if we required our legislators to go back and re-evaluate 1/20th of the laws on the books every single year, they'd stop introducing so many pointless, idiotic laws in the first place. The reason the law books are so huge is because nobody ever has to go back and read them once they get out of law school. Nobody is ever forced to do anything about it. If every single law passed in 2013 had to be re-examined in 2033, and all the laws from 1993 were being looked at today, those law books would be a lot thinner and legislators would think twice before throwing out that stupid law meant to buy a couple of votes in the next election.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I suppose the learning moment comes from the fact that despite such words in important laws and documents, most are no longer enforcible, which reflects the belief in equality among people that makes up society today.

    That's not to say some don't make a living trying to keeps the idea of determination alive.
    yep in ways it is a good thing that some of these laws just disappear and at the same time sad that some will try to use them.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Well, it is discrimination. But if a private organization chooses to discriminate against the atheist, it's their right I suppose.

    Everyone here knows that I am about as far away from being a bible thumper as a person can get. I openly dispute modern and past theologies, illogical beliefs and religions. I do not discriminate one whacko religion from another. Whacko is whacko regardless which myth, superstition or legend one chooses to believe. I sorta just lump them altogether. If it looks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, I don't care if it's a Mallard or a Cinnamon Teal or a Wood Duck. To me, it's a duck. Same goes for the various religions and deities.

    Yet, I am no atheist. I have an inherent sense that feels the presence of some kind of a spiritual presence in my life. We can call it God if you like. We can call it the Flying Spaghetti Monster, if you like. Or you can call it a duck.

    My lodge, which by the way, DOES discriminate towards atheist's, (none are allowed,) call it "The Great Architect of the Universe." That leaves the door open for anyone to believe what they want to believe without endorsing any particular deity. A "catch-all," phrase, if you will. Men live and work in harmony much better when religious beliefs and preferences are put aside. And harmony and strength are the support of all institutions.

    Especially ours.

    But atheist's need not apply.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, it is discrimination. But if a private organization chooses to discriminate against the atheist, it's their right I suppose.

    Everyone here knows that I am about as far away from being a bible thumper as a person can get. I openly dispute modern and past theologies, illogical beliefs and religions. I do not discriminate one whacko religion from another. Whacko is whacko regardless which myth, superstition or legend one chooses to believe. I sorta just lump them altogether. If it looks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, I don't care if it's a Mallard or a Cinnamon Teal or a Wood Duck. To me, it's a duck. Same goes for the various religions and deities.

    Yet, I am no atheist. I have an inherent sense that feels the presence of some kind of a spiritual presence in my life. We can call it God if you like. We can call it the Flying Spaghetti Monster, if you like. Or you can call it a duck.

    My lodge, which by the way, DOES discriminate towards atheist's, (none are allowed,) call it "The Great Architect of the Universe." That leaves the door open for anyone to believe what they want to believe without endorsing any particular deity. A "catch-all," phrase, if you will. Men live and work in harmony much better when religious beliefs and preferences are put aside. And harmony and strength are the support of all institutions.

    Especially ours.

    But atheist's need not apply.
    Yeah, private organizations can discriminate on basis of religion. Silly, mostly stupid, but ain't no law against stupid. Of course it goes both ways. If for some reason someone wanted an atheist social club, theists could be kicked out. Though that too seems equally stupid.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You mean getting rid of laws that restrict atheist representation and participation in government would take away your rights? Your right to what? Keep me out of office because I don't believe in the same god you do? Sounds very Middle East to me.
    It would take away the rights of people in bible belt states to have politicians run that state that share their values. It would be like forcing people in SF to have Rush Limbaugh as mayor. But you know that brings up a good point, Rush would never get elected in SF and an atheist would never get elected in a bible belt state so the point is moot and the thread is pointless.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    please explain this

    sounds like the same retarded logic of the people that say granting gays (blacks, woman etc) equal rights infringes on them
    The difference is freedom of religion is part of our constitution whereas freedom to be a racist is not.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It would take away the rights of people in bible belt states to have politicians run that state that share their values. It would be like forcing people in SF to have Rush Limbaugh as mayor. But you know that brings up a good point, Rush would never get elected in SF and an atheist would never get elected in a bible belt state so the point is moot and the thread is pointless.
    Why? There would be no requirement that you elect atheists. Just that they could run. Are you afraid that an atheist may resonate better with more people and thus be more likely to be elected over a theist? That's the only thing I can think of that would lead one to pretend that they wouldn't have the "representation" they wanted.

    But what I find funny is the direct hypocrisy here. You don't want to allow atheists to run for office because you feel you won't be able to get the representation you want. But you are MORE THAN HAPPY to do the reverse. You'll bar atheists from running so that atheists cannot get the representation they may want.

    You may want to bury the hypocrisy a few levels down so it's not quite so obvious.
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I know that argument, it's a State's rights issue as I had said. But you should equally be opposed to the Federal government having the ability to tell the States that slavery in and of itself was illegal to be consistent with your claims.
    The feds had the right to make laws against slavery and the south had the right to secede if they didn't like the law.

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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The difference is freedom of religion is part of our constitution whereas freedom to be a racist is not.
    sorry that doesnt answer the question in the slightest bit
    now will you explain how in the world "giving atheist rights takes away religious peoples rights"

    if you dont have an answer and want to admit you made it up that works too
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    Re: Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why? There would be no requirement that you elect atheists. Just that they could run. Are you afraid that an atheist may resonate better with more people and thus be more likely to be elected over a theist? That's the only thing I can think of that would lead one to pretend that they wouldn't have the "representation" they wanted.

    But what I find funny is the direct hypocrisy here. You don't want to allow atheists to run for office because you feel you won't be able to get the representation you want. But you are MORE THAN HAPPY to do the reverse. You'll bar atheists from running so that atheists cannot get the representation they may want.

    You may want to bury the hypocrisy a few levels down so it's not quite so obvious.
    Seems like we agree, I said the point is moot because no atheist could get elected in a bible thump state anyway.

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