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    Re: do you believe god exists ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you can't bounce a photon off of it, you have no chance. You can sit around all day and philosophize over weather or not some demon or deceitful god has changed the observed age of the universe or made fossils look older than they are. But it gets you nowhere less you can measure the demon or the god.
    What do you mean by "measure?"

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    Re: do you believe god exists ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Also libertarianism, law and order, government, foreign policy, etc. Religion isn't special, it's just another in a line of topics to argue and debate.
    You're literally on every thread related to religion. If I had to guess, I'd say you're quite emotionally invested in the topic. Which is good. Religion is important.

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    Re: do you believe god exists ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You're literally on every thread related to religion. If I had to guess, I'd say you're quite emotionally invested in the topic. Which is good. Religion is important.
    Am I? I'm not sure you could literally back that statement up.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: do you believe god exists ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You're literally on every thread related to religion. If I had to guess, I'd say you're quite emotionally invested in the topic. Which is good. Religion is important.
    For instance

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/religi...-vrs-paul.html

    Is a religious thread I have not commented on.

    I have just literally disproved your claim.
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    Re: do you believe god exists ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you can't bounce a photon off of it, you have no chance. You can sit around all day and philosophize over weather or not some demon or deceitful god has changed the observed age of the universe or made fossils look older than they are. But it gets you nowhere less you can measure the demon or the god.
    Yeah....

    Well, I guess we all can make arguments as simple or complicated as we want.

    I personally haven't been challenged in anyway that my senses or my physical experiences has allowed me to adopt any concepts or philosophies that have lead some to believe that there is a god.

    Obviously, we both see responses from posters who, for whatever reason, believe that they have conceptual, philosophical reasons, in lieu of scientific evidence, that is concrete enough for their belief in god. I can't understand that reasoning..but it exist.

    So I'll end my post this way: I would say that the preponderance of evidence doesn't support the existence of god...for me.

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    Re: do you believe god exists ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    For instance

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/religi...-vrs-paul.html

    Is a religious thread I have not commented on.

    I have just literally disproved your claim.
    That's because you can't go on the religion forum and claim God doesn't exist. Takes some of the luster out of it for you.

    But I guarantee you, the next time someone starts a "creation vs evolution" debate, you'll be there.

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    Re: do you believe god exists ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Yeah....

    Well, I guess we all can make arguments as simple or complicated as we want.

    I personally haven't been challenged in anyway that my senses or my physical experiences has allowed me to adopt any concepts or philosophies that have lead some to believe that there is a god.

    Obviously, we both see responses from posters who, for whatever reason, believe that they have conceptual, philosophical reasons, in lieu of scientific evidence, that is concrete enough for their belief in god. I can't understand that reasoning..but it exist.

    So I'll end my post this way: I would say that the preponderance of evidence doesn't support the existence of god...for me.
    Rather there is no evidence that would support the existence of gods. Philosophy can lead people to BELIEVE there is a god, but it cannot bring knowledge of the god in and of itself. That will take a measurement and gods are defined by the religious to be immeasurable.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: do you believe god exists ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's because you can't go on the religion forum and claim God doesn't exist. Takes some of the luster out of it for you.

    But I guarantee you, the next time someone starts a "creation vs evolution" debate, you'll be there.
    Specifically on that one, usually. Have to try to correct YECers use, or rather misuse, of science.

    So I guess you lied, huh? On two fronts. 1) I haven't commented on literally ever religious thread. 2) I actually have posted in some threads in the religion forum thus your insinuation that I wouldn't because I cannot say gods don't exist is incorrect.

    Man, striking out all over the place tonight, literally. HAHAHAHAH, j/k, that's not a literal statement.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: do you believe god exists ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Rather there is no evidence that would support the existence of gods. Philosophy can lead people to BELIEVE there is a god, but it cannot bring knowledge of the god in and of itself. That will take a measurement and gods are defined by the religious to be immeasurable.
    I didn't say NO EVIDENCE that would support the existence of god. I said the preponderance of evidence. That means that as we have evolved, over time, in our growing knowledge about ourselves, our world, our universe...that I believe that we are seeing more and more evidence that would exclude the existence of god...rather than build evidence of the existence of god.

    In addition...I said that I (meaning me, because I don't live inside other's experience) have not been challenged by my senses or physical experiences that allows me to adopt the belief in god.

    To be honest, I don't care why you are atheist because your reasons...or your reasons. My reasons...or my reasons. Ikari...I think that my previous posts were clear...and you have to take it to a completely unnecessary conclusion. So be it.

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    Re: do you believe god exists ?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Tenets.
    F***** spell check!

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