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Would you vote for an Atheist?

Would you vote for or consider voting for an Atheist for any public office?

  • Yes

    Votes: 62 89.9%

  • No

    Votes: 7 10.1%
  • Total voters
    69
Ikari said:
Perhaps not, I've read a lot of philosophy on the matter and in the end I cannot see humans for anything more than humans. You don't have the right to take my life, it innate to my humanity. No matter how much money or power or guns you have, without provocation you cannot justly kill me. That limitation of force is due to my innate right to life. Born from the fact that we are all the same, all humans are human and human life has intrinsic value, worth, and decency. Perhaps it's a concept some do not wish to consider or acknowledge, but it makes it no less the truth.
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When I was in college, "philosophy" became almost an addiction. I had a professor that could stir people's minds...and it's great to delve into from time to time.

But with respect to our little exchange regarding "natural rights"...philosophical views are as long as they are wide. They're interesting to tap occasionally. But I prefer to take them in the form of legal rights. I know, I know, I'm simple and unsophisticated. So perhaps that's my way of feeling truly connected and find value in those 3 words.

However....I really, really liked what you said to Baron about the Declaration of Independence. I had posted the same to him in two previous posts.

But I feel the same way about life, liberty, and property. The constitutionality of it is the reality for us all. In my humble opinion, those things are worthless...if they were some type of "natural right"...because it would be way too philosophical to sort out and we'd never get social consensus or agreements as to their relevance to our well being as individuals and as a nation. And certainly not near as enforceable as we find those words to be in our Constitution.

Thanks...
 
Perotista said:
I have existed a lot longer than political correctness and the perverbial He actually at one time could cover both sexes. There was none of this his/hers or he/she. He included all. I am too darn old to change now. what I said applies to one and all. Even a she/he...
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here's one you missed: s/he
 
Removable Mind said:
When I was in college, "philosophy" became almost an addiction. I had a professor that could stir people's minds...and it's great to delve into from time to time.

But with respect to our little exchange regarding "natural rights"...philosophical views are as long as they are wide. They're interesting to tap occasionally. But I prefer to take them in the form of legal rights. I know, I know, I'm simple and unsophisticated. So perhaps that's my way of feeling truly connected and find value in those 3 words.

However....I really, really liked what you said to Baron about the Declaration of Independence. I had posted the same to him in two previous posts.

But I feel the same way about life, liberty, and property. The constitutionality of it is the reality for us all. In my humble opinion, those things are worthless...if they were some type of "natural right"...because it would be way too philosophical to sort out and we'd never get social consensus or agreements as to their relevance to our well being as individuals and as a nation. And certainly not near as enforceable as we find those words to be in our Constitution.

Thanks...
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They are not worthless as they establish limitations to force that may justly be used against the individual.
 
Removable Mind said:
In constitutional form, I agree.
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The philosophical always precedes the constitutional. Where else does the constitutional obtain the concepts necessary to write it into law?
 
Ikari said:
The philosophical always precedes the constitutional. Where else does the constitutional obtain the concepts necessary to write it into law?
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Yawwwhhhh...

Ikari...you're drifting far, far from where reality hits the ....yadda, yadda,

Concepts and philosophy...is obviously important to you and you find comfort in concepts and philosophy have given birth to moral principles, which are created into laws...etc, etc, etc..

But I think you and I have come to a difference of opinion...as to how those 3 little words actually do impact our lives.

So let's call it a day. The stage is yours... Oh, if you need the last word...fire away. It's all yours.
 
Yeah, I've got no problems voting for an atheist. A person's religion, or lack thereof, has no bearing on his/her ability to do the job. I want someone who shares my views on the issues I find most important to me. I'd rather have an atheist in office than a fundamentalist who tries to codify religious beliefs into law, and force them on everyone else.
 
I think henceforth, I'll vote for only atheists. I can't trust theist any longer to server our best interest. They've had their chance...they blew it.
 
DiAnna said:
Yeah, I've got no problems voting for an atheist. A person's religion, or lack thereof, has no bearing on his/her ability to do the job. I want someone who shares my views on the issues I find most important to me. I'd rather have an atheist in office than a fundamentalist who tries to codify religious beliefs into law, and force them on everyone else.
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:yt
exactly

its illogical to disqualify someone simply over religion of lack there of it, much more important things to look at.

In fact i vote for a person with lack or little religion faster than id vote for someone with an over abundance of it.
 
Perotista said:
I like it, very good. I'll have to remember it, but at my age CRS has already set in. Let me write that down.
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I hear you ... I'm happy if I can get up from a chair on my first try ...
 
Cecil900 said:
When I thought about doing this poll, I thought that most Americans still wouldn't. But the poll I looked up to post this has apparently changed that information:
Majority Of Americans Would Vote For An Atheist For President (POLL)

I would like to ask as a DP poll though, would you vote for or consider voting for an Atheist in any public office, not just the Presidency.

As a discussion point, I believe there are six states that do not allow Atheists to hold public office, even though that is against the US constitution.

Also as an Atheist, my vote is naturally yes.
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Its 2013, we should be open to any religion in the Oval Office, including Atheism.
 
windowdressing said:
when we have hope, we're more likely to act ... praying to a God works for you and that's cool ... but please don't tell people who don't believe in God that they don't have a moral compass ... seriously, think about it ...
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Let me try this on you. There is an unseen force that makes a compass always point north, we know what that force is and how it works. What if we have a moral compass in our souls that is operated by an unseen force that we don't understand or know how it works. If you shut off communication with that source the compass won't work just like if you refuse to look at a directional compass. You can guess which way is north and you may or may not be right just like you can guess at what is good or evil but you may not be right. Just a thought.
 
Ikari said:
I think there are quite a few very nice messages within the bible and there's quite a bit of shared morality, but to be Christian I'm pretty sure you have to believe in Christ, and not just as some dude but THE dude. Seems part and parcel to the whole thing.
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Jesus was here, that is historical fact, the question is was he God incarnate.
 
Cecil900 said:
Also as an Atheist, my vote is naturally yes.
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Ditto. I'd probably have a lot of respect for a candidate who owned up to being an atheist, all things considered. Of course, I'm not going to vote for someone just because of that. In general, religion doesn't factor into my decision at all unless the person actively campaigns on a platform to impose his or her religious morality on me.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Let me try this on you. There is an unseen force that makes a compass always point north, we know what that force is and how it works. What if we have a moral compass in our souls that is operated by an unseen force that we don't understand or know how it works. If you shut off communication with that source the compass won't work just like if you refuse to look at a directional compass. You can guess which way is north and you may or may not be right just like you can guess at what is good or evil but you may not be right. Just a thought.
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it doesn't work for me, but if it does for you, that's what counts ... I also know that people who are not socialized appropriately don't have good moral compasses ... What does that tell you?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Jesus was here, that is historical fact, the question is was he God incarnate.
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very true ... I have several cousins named Jesus and I can tell you that none of them are God incarnate, although one of them could be the devil incarnate ...
 
windowdressing said:
it doesn't work for me, but if it does for you, that's what counts ... I also know that people who are not socialized appropriately don't have good moral compasses ... What does that tell you?
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Try an experiment if you want. I have tried it several times because as I said every so often I get in an anti God mood due to all the suffering in the world, I feel like if there is a god F*** him. Then as things seem ever darker I try my morning prayer again and open the door and things just get better, it's really weird. Here is my prayer, try it or something similar for a week and try to mean it when you say it, consider it a scientific experiment.

Thank you God for another day of this wonderful life you have given me, please help me think good thoughts do good things live in the now and stay strong.
 
Ikari said:
No, the DI was a propaganda piece to excuse revolution against the King but to stymie any argument that could be used against the fledgling nation. The Constitution is where theory hits reality.
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Wow!

Not even close.
 
I agree with what RabidAlpaca said way back on page 1. I'd prefer an atheist. No religious beliefs - no chance that religion figures into what should be purely secular decision making.
 
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