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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Not a book of rules but an openness to a higher power that can help guide your decisions.
    You mean like Aztecs who sacrificed children to please their gods?

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    No. Atheist are not fit to hold office. Our rights are from God. And since our rights come from God man cannot take them away. But when people stop believing that our rights come from God they start believing that our rights are "granted" by the state. And if the state can "grant" rights it can take those rights away. Atheist will have no philosophical aversion to stripping us our our individual, God-given rights.
    Well what if an atheist believes in natural rights then, is it OK to vote for them?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Would an Anarchist vote for the Anti-christ?
    If he voted, he would hardly be an anarchist, would he?
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well what if an atheist believes in natural rights then, is it OK to vote for them?
    The Declaration of Independence
    “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impelthem to the separation.”

    The term “the law of nature” was a very specific term coined by Sir EdwardCoke…

    Sir Edward Coke (1552-1634)
    “The law of nature is that which God at the time of creation of the nature ofman infused into his heart, for his preservation and direction…the moral law,called the law of nature.”

    This same term was later used by William Blackstone who wrote a law textbook. If you were a lawyer, as was Thomas Jefferson, you studied Blackstone.

    William Blackstone
    “…as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should, in all points, conform to his Maker’s will. This will of his Maker is called the law of nature…This law of nature…dictated by God Himself is, ofcourse, superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe,in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity incontrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority…from this original.”

    “Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation,depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered to contradict these.”
    - Commentaries on the Law (A lawtextbook / 2,500 copies sold in America prior to the Revolutionary War)

    "Natural law" is God's law.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    The Declaration of Independence
    “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impelthem to the separation.”

    The term “the law of nature” was a very specific term coined by Sir EdwardCoke…

    Sir Edward Coke (1552-1634)
    “The law of nature is that which God at the time of creation of the nature ofman infused into his heart, for his preservation and direction…the moral law,called the law of nature.”

    This same term was later used by William Blackstone who wrote a law textbook. If you were a lawyer, as was Thomas Jefferson, you studied Blackstone.

    William Blackstone
    “…as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should, in all points, conform to his Maker’s will. This will of his Maker is called the law of nature…This law of nature…dictated by God Himself is, ofcourse, superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe,in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity incontrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority…from this original.”

    “Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation,depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered to contradict these.”
    - Commentaries on the Law (A lawtextbook / 2,500 copies sold in America prior to the Revolutionary War)

    "Natural law" is God's law.
    Yes, so you would have no problem voting for an atheist who accepted natural rights. Yes?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    No. Atheist are not fit to hold office. Our rights are from God. And since our rights come from God man cannot take them away. But when people stop believing that our rights come from God they start believing that our rights are "granted" by the state. And if the state can "grant" rights it can take those rights away. Atheist will have no philosophical aversion to stripping us our our individual, God-given rights.
    What rights did god give...and to whom?

    So if atheists have no aversion to stripping god given rights....how would an atheist do that?

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    As I said in the last thread like this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If he shares my political views and isn't the "evangelical" equivilent of an Athiest, I'd have no issue voting for them.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    What rights did god give...and to whom?

    So if atheists have no aversion to stripping god given rights....how would an atheist do that?
    It's an interesting premise. If natural rights are god given, then an atheist couldn't override that. But more to the point, currently there are lots of theist politicians (pretty much the lot of the main Republocrat party) who do not accept natural right and define everything instead by government power. So what are these people who refuse to vote for atheists really getting by not voting for atheists. It seems whether they are outraged by lack of moral compass or lack of belief in natural rights that our current politicians already violate all of that.

    The only real reason why people wouldn't vote for atheists is rooted in prejudiced and bias because many of these people are supporting the same politicians doing things they claim they cannot vote for an atheist because. So it's obviously not so much the act in and of itself as it is being an atheist.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, so you would have no problem voting for an atheist who accepted natural rights. Yes?
    In view of my post, I am confused at how you can be an athiest and believe in natural rights. What distinction are you making?
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    What rights did god give...and to whom?

    So if atheists have no aversion to stripping god given rights....how would an atheist do that?
    From the Declaration of Independence:
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    For other rights you may refer to the Bill of Rights.
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