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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Perhaps not, I've read a lot of philosophy on the matter and in the end I cannot see humans for anything more than humans. You don't have the right to take my life, it innate to my humanity. No matter how much money or power or guns you have, without provocation you cannot justly kill me. That limitation of force is due to my innate right to life. Born from the fact that we are all the same, all humans are human and human life has intrinsic value, worth, and decency. Perhaps it's a concept some do not wish to consider or acknowledge, but it makes it no less the truth.

    When I was in college, "philosophy" became almost an addiction. I had a professor that could stir people's minds...and it's great to delve into from time to time.

    But with respect to our little exchange regarding "natural rights"...philosophical views are as long as they are wide. They're interesting to tap occasionally. But I prefer to take them in the form of legal rights. I know, I know, I'm simple and unsophisticated. So perhaps that's my way of feeling truly connected and find value in those 3 words.

    However....I really, really liked what you said to Baron about the Declaration of Independence. I had posted the same to him in two previous posts.

    But I feel the same way about life, liberty, and property. The constitutionality of it is the reality for us all. In my humble opinion, those things are worthless...if they were some type of "natural right"...because it would be way too philosophical to sort out and we'd never get social consensus or agreements as to their relevance to our well being as individuals and as a nation. And certainly not near as enforceable as we find those words to be in our Constitution.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

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    I have existed a lot longer than political correctness and the perverbial He actually at one time could cover both sexes. There was none of this his/hers or he/she. He included all. I am too darn old to change now. what I said applies to one and all. Even a she/he...
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    When I was in college, "philosophy" became almost an addiction. I had a professor that could stir people's minds...and it's great to delve into from time to time.

    But with respect to our little exchange regarding "natural rights"...philosophical views are as long as they are wide. They're interesting to tap occasionally. But I prefer to take them in the form of legal rights. I know, I know, I'm simple and unsophisticated. So perhaps that's my way of feeling truly connected and find value in those 3 words.

    However....I really, really liked what you said to Baron about the Declaration of Independence. I had posted the same to him in two previous posts.

    But I feel the same way about life, liberty, and property. The constitutionality of it is the reality for us all. In my humble opinion, those things are worthless...if they were some type of "natural right"...because it would be way too philosophical to sort out and we'd never get social consensus or agreements as to their relevance to our well being as individuals and as a nation. And certainly not near as enforceable as we find those words to be in our Constitution.

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    They are not worthless as they establish limitations to force that may justly be used against the individual.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are not worthless as they establish limitations to force that may justly be used against the individual.
    In constitutional form, I agree.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    In constitutional form, I agree.
    The philosophical always precedes the constitutional. Where else does the constitutional obtain the concepts necessary to write it into law?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

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    here's one you missed: s/he
    I like it, very good. I'll have to remember it, but at my age CRS has already set in. Let me write that down.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The philosophical always precedes the constitutional. Where else does the constitutional obtain the concepts necessary to write it into law?
    Yawwwhhhh...

    Ikari...you're drifting far, far from where reality hits the ....yadda, yadda,

    Concepts and philosophy...is obviously important to you and you find comfort in concepts and philosophy have given birth to moral principles, which are created into laws...etc, etc, etc..

    But I think you and I have come to a difference of opinion...as to how those 3 little words actually do impact our lives.

    So let's call it a day. The stage is yours... Oh, if you need the last word...fire away. It's all yours.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Yeah, I've got no problems voting for an atheist. A person's religion, or lack thereof, has no bearing on his/her ability to do the job. I want someone who shares my views on the issues I find most important to me. I'd rather have an atheist in office than a fundamentalist who tries to codify religious beliefs into law, and force them on everyone else.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    I think henceforth, I'll vote for only atheists. I can't trust theist any longer to server our best interest. They've had their chance...they blew it.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yeah, I've got no problems voting for an atheist. A person's religion, or lack thereof, has no bearing on his/her ability to do the job. I want someone who shares my views on the issues I find most important to me. I'd rather have an atheist in office than a fundamentalist who tries to codify religious beliefs into law, and force them on everyone else.

    exactly

    its illogical to disqualify someone simply over religion of lack there of it, much more important things to look at.

    In fact i vote for a person with lack or little religion faster than id vote for someone with an over abundance of it.
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