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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Atheist at best follow mans laws, IMO a deeper law needs adhered to.
    A deeper law that you can't actually demonstrate exists.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Not a book of rules but an openness to a higher power that can help guide your decisions.
    A higher power that you can't actually demonstrate exists. I think we're seeing a pattern here.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'm getting tired of trying to have adult discussions with people that just come here for childish bickering, have a nice day.
    No, you got caught and now you're trying to squirm out of it. Typical.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    What does an atheist base his morals on besides mans law?
    Prove that anything exists beyond man's law.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    People interpret the bible in different ways, I am not a fundamentalist bible thumper, the book has been altered to much by man to take literally. You have to look for the root messages in it.
    So in other words, you just pick and choose what you like and ignore the rest.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post


    God gives us our rights. WHERE DID GOD PUBLISH THESE RIGHTS? You've been subjected to too much John Locke.

    He didn’t have to publish them. As Jefferson said, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”. JEFFERSON WAS A HUMAN BEING who never claimed to have met god and was given these things directly/or indirectly from god. Sounds very poetic...but no more potent than that. He too read John Locke. In other words, Jefferson wasn't Moses. He didn't go up on a mountain and come back down with the Declaration of Independence after having a chat with god.

    Ask Lennin, Marx or Obama. They’ve all laid-out their plans on how to do that very thing. NONSENSE

    Point of fact, the Declaration establishes this country and does so based on the reasoning that we all have “certain unalienable rights”. NONSENSE The D.I. put King George on notice that the people in the colonies would no longer be subjected to his rule and abuse...and outlined his discretions very plainly.

    Yea, I noticed.

    Our Founding Fathers didn’t seem to have any trouble understanding who the Creator was. Why do you? Myths, superstitions, and ancient imaginary gods have been around a long time...so what? I don't subscribe to such.



    And yet the reason they were placed there was to protect the individual from his government. As such, you may wish to re-think that whole “but I won't go as far to say that they are inalienable” position.
    Well, as an atheist...you might well suspect that I'm going to respond with: Your beliefs are just that, YOUR BELIEFS. In relationship to the history of our government and laws of the land, which have been created by our governments....you're way off the grid with your claims.

    OH...and how does an atheist strip away these god given rights that you claim exists

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    OH...and how does an atheist strip away these god given rights that you claim exists
    And that's the thing, they are just claims, no more valid because they have blind faith than any other unsupported claim. It's funny that the only "evidence" theists can put forward for their beliefs is their own gullibility. And then they expect everyone else to be gullible too.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    I wouldn't know. They're all dead.

    Yet the Judeo / Christian belief system has been around for thousands of years and were still here so, go figure?
    Zeus had been around for some time too. No religion has yet proven itself infinitely stable; not even Christianity which has evolved and fractured over the centuries. No religion has shown itself immutable.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    Really? Ever hear of the Jefferson Bible?



    I don't have to prove any such thing. All I have to do is point to what the Founders thought and point to the wisdom that we all best believe in God given rights as all other may be taken away by the whim of the state.
    Not all the founders were religious, and often times for the period religion was evoked for propaganda purposes. If gods were so important they would have been in the contract that established the government; the Constitution. Yet they are not.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Nope you made the claim in this thread and it is pure 100% BS
    Actually I said atheists are not fit to hold office--not that they are less moral.

    Difference.

    You should learn what you're talking about before calling "BS".
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