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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Ahhhhh...thanks, I thought I misread something in the post I responded to.

    Okay....to go out on a limb here...

    What natural rights are you talking about specifically? In what form do they exist? How are we as a nation protected by them? Or as far as that goes...how are we as individuals protected by them? Who enforces them?
    Life, liberty, and property form the basis of natural rights. Property is expanded not only to the physical form but to privacy (all privacy rights stem from property). They exist as they exist, these are abstract concepts born of intellect and empathy and we can understand that at heart all humans are human and because we are all fundamentally the same there are limits to force you can apply to me even if you hold monopoly of force. We are not protected by rights, we need to protect rights. Enforcement is mostly done through proper construct of government and law, and on extremes at the end of a gun.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's incorrect, you only want to make that point but there's no argument to support it.

    So what you are saying is that your major contention is the acceptance of natural rights, but even if an atheist were to accept natural rights you still couldn't vote for them because you don't think it's possible for a human to not believe in god while simultaneously accepting that at base all humans are human. It's not the most self-consistent of all arguments.
    See my post no. 110.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    See my post no. 110.
    Yeah, it does nothing for your cause. Jefferson wasn't even particularly religious, but evoked religion for propaganda purposes.

    Just because you want to state they are god given doesn't mean you have made any demonstration that they are (which would likely revolve around the demonstration of a god to give rights in the first place).
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    What's god's role in all of this as you claimed in your previous post?
    God gives us our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    When did god publish these so called Natural Rights and where can they be found?
    He didn’t have to publish them. As Jefferson said, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    How would an atheist strip away individual's god given rights? And who is US? Why didn't god do the same for Iran or Cuba or Syria?
    Ask Lennin, Marx or Obama. They’ve all laid-out their plans on how to do that very thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    The Declaration of Independence doesn't grant rights. And it certainly doesn't create a government authority to impose and enforce "Natural Rights"....
    Point of fact, the Declaration establishes this country and does so based on the reasoning that we all have “certain unalienable rights”.

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    In case you haven't noticed, we are a nation that is ruled by laws created by bodies of governments elected by the people?
    Yea, I noticed.

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    How can any person determine who or what my creator is...or isn't for that matter?
    Our Founding Fathers didn’t seem to have any trouble understanding who the Creator was. Why do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    The Bill of Rights...? Certainly an advantage to us, but I won't go as far to say that they are inalienable.
    And yet the reason they were placed there was to protect the individual from his government. As such, you may wish to re-think that whole “but I won't go as far to say that they are inalienable” position.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    And yet I've provided you with a definition of the term going all the way back to the 1500's and yet all you can manage is "bs".

    Your response is unintelligent, uninformed and uninteresting.
    What is BS is your belief that without god there are no rights. define the words all you want but atheists are neither more nor less moral than any theists.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm sure those who believed in Zeus felt the same thing during their time as well.
    I wouldn't know. They're all dead.

    Yet the Judeo / Christian belief system has been around for thousands of years and were still here so, go figure?
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, it does nothing for your cause. Jefferson wasn't even particularly religious, but evoked religion for propaganda purposes.
    Really? Ever hear of the Jefferson Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Just because you want to state they are god given doesn't mean you have made any demonstration that they are (which would likely revolve around the demonstration of a god to give rights in the first place).
    I don't have to prove any such thing. All I have to do is point to what the Founders thought and point to the wisdom that we all best believe in God given rights as all other may be taken away by the whim of the state.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    What is BS is your belief that without god there are no rights. define the words all you want but atheists are neither more nor less moral than any theists.
    Well, that's another debate, now isn't it?
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    Well, that's another debate, now isn't it?
    Nope you made the claim in this thread and it is pure 100% BS
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    I would have no problem with that at all. Being Christian does not make you qualified to be President, right along with any other Religion. Personally when any Polotician starts a bible thump it scares the heck out of me.

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