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Thread: Death Penalty in Theory

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well we're the ones who put them there, do you think it's free to jail people?
    No, but I also don't agree with LWOP. You murder someone, you get killed. Problem solved.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    An express lane would be immoral, but sure we could do that.
    And how exactly is that immoral? Do explain.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
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    I'm not surprised. I'd imagine you only support private charities that promote the gospel.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post

    The death penalty itself does not cost more. It cost's more because of the ridiculous restrictions and appeals, etc... We need judicial reform, and put in an express lane. That would definitely cost less than LWOP.
    It's not spin, it's required checks and balances of a system. That's the cost of the using the death penalty, it's part and parcel. Making it more efficient isn't a good idea either considering it's a flawed system. Hell Illinois had to put a moratorium on its death penalty for quite some time since it found too many people in death row being exonerated for the crimes they were convicted of. Speeding that process up isn't going to solve that problem, it will exacerbate it. Then think of all the money you have to pay out to families of people put to death for crimes they didn't commit.

    Bottom line, 10's of millions more per inmate for CP vs LWOP.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    No, but I also don't agree with LWOP. You murder someone, you get killed. Problem solved.
    And in a system of perfect knowledge that could work out; but we don't live in such a world sadly enough. There's no real benefit of the death penalty to society or our system.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    And how exactly is that immoral? Do explain.
    Aside from the fact that the execution its self is immoral? Well, we should do everything we can to rule out the possibility of putting an innocent man to death, if the death penalty is going to be allowed. It's immoral to risk the lives of the innocent for our own bloodlust.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    And how exactly is that immoral? Do explain.
    You'll be killing innocent people, and that comes with the system itself. Expediting the procedure will only make that worse, not better. This is one of the largest uses of government force we can possibly undertake and because of that, the checks and balances must be extreme.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    I'm not surprised. I'd imagine you only support private charities that promote the gospel.
    Not true actually.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You are telling me that it costs LESS to house someone for life than to use the death penalty? I'd love to know how those numbers work out.....
    Unfortunately, a lot of the time it does, simply because we allow people to file endless appeals, at taxpayer expense, to keep putting off the execution. More often than not, these appeals are perfunctory, they are filed just because the convicted criminal doesn't want to die, not because there's any actual evidence of innocence. There are millions upon millions of dollars wasted because we have no controls.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Oh I understand that, what I am saying is that if we widely used the death penalty for these crimes, people would probably be less inclined to commit them in the first place.
    We widely use imprisonment and that doesn't stop anyone, even the people who have already been there. Recidivism is quite high for convicted felons so prison clearly doesn't deter anyone, yet we still use it.
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