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Thread: Death Penalty in Theory

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    The death penalty is outdated and no longer necessary in our modern society. It's a fundamentally flawed system the necessarily consumes innocent life. It costs too much, it is not a deterrent, it's emotionally compromised, and in today's day and age we don't need a mechanism like this through which the government can off its own citizens.

    I fail to see any reasoned and logical arguments for the death penalty given its obvious failings.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do you then also oppose imprisoning people given the thousands or tens of thousands who actually are innocent? Nothing will restore the lifetime they have lost either.
    That doesn't mean that killing them becomes OK. The death penalty offers no additional protections to society at large and is too expensive. Cheaper to keep a man alive than to kill him. And I for one say that's the right metric.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    The right to life should be one of the very few that society views and treats as inalienable. Society already treats the breach of the right to life by an individual acting on their own agency as a grave offence. Punishing that grave offence with the same offence effectively renders that right entirely alienable.

    If the state may do it for its own reasons (however good those reasons may seem) then there will be a shred of doubt in some, perhaps flawed, damaged or undeveloped, minds that the right to life is absolute. I suspect that this is the reason why the death penalty does not act as a deterrent.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You probably actually do. Even the most horrendous of child-rapes has been tossed out by SCOTUS as undeserving of the Death Penalty.
    Texas has what is called a party law. We have something similar here in Arizona but you aren't eligible for CP if found guilty. Basically, if you are found guilty of commiting a felony while someone else in your party commits a capital murder, regardless of whether or not you actually pulled the trigger, you are eligible for the death penalty. For example, if two guys rob a bank and get caught and one of the guys offed a customer in the process they BOTH are eligible for CP.

    Whether or not and how often it is used, I don't know but that is the law of the land in Texas.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I used to be very pro-capital punishment. Lately though, I've been moving away from that position somewhat. In theory, I accept that the death penalty can be an appropriate punishment. If a mentally healthy person willfully takes the life of another, I see that as forfeiting their own right to life. However, in our practice I'm not sure I can support it. There is at the very least controversy over whether or not the cost of the capital case outweighs that of life in prison, with actual statistics being very hard to come by. There is also the trouble of exonerated death row inmates and wrongful executions. In my opinion the difference in punishment between death and life in prison is not worth the chance of wrongful execution, which seems to be significant. There is also the question of whether the death penalty is equally applied among everyone. Lastly, although I'm not sure I agree with this, some people have argued that the death penalty is not an equal response to murder, because death row inmates must spend years waiting and knowing that they are going to die. It is suggested this is a torture exceeding that which the convicted gave his or her victims. I think this is the weakest argument of them, but it may have some merit. In a perfect world where a 100% guilty person was immediately put to death, with the whole thing costing less than life in prison, I could easily support that, but in our real world I'm not sure anymore that capital punishment is practical.

    But I'm curious about how the people on DP feel about it. Especially to see if there are significant groups of people among those who oppose the death penalty who support the idea in theory, but not in reality and those who simply oppose the idea in principle.
    In addition to everything here, I wonder about encouraging the sentiment of revenge. It seems ultimately destructive to the individual who may have lost a loved one and our society as a whole.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I used to be very pro-capital punishment. Lately though, I've been moving away from that position somewhat. In theory, I accept that the death penalty can be an appropriate punishment. If a mentally healthy person willfully takes the life of another, I see that as forfeiting their own right to life. However, in our practice I'm not sure I can support it. There is at the very least controversy over whether or not the cost of the capital case outweighs that of life in prison, with actual statistics being very hard to come by. There is also the trouble of exonerated death row inmates and wrongful executions. In my opinion the difference in punishment between death and life in prison is not worth the chance of wrongful execution, which seems to be significant. There is also the question of whether the death penalty is equally applied among everyone. Lastly, although I'm not sure I agree with this, some people have argued that the death penalty is not an equal response to murder, because death row inmates must spend years waiting and knowing that they are going to die. It is suggested this is a torture exceeding that which the convicted gave his or her victims. I think this is the weakest argument of them, but it may have some merit. In a perfect world where a 100% guilty person was immediately put to death, with the whole thing costing less than life in prison, I could easily support that, but in our real world I'm not sure anymore that capital punishment is practical.

    But I'm curious about how the people on DP feel about it. Especially to see if there are significant groups of people among those who oppose the death penalty who support the idea in theory, but not in reality and those who simply oppose the idea in principle.
    I support the death penalty. And in answer to those who thing it is torture beyond the crime, I beg to differ. Those criminals tortured the families of the victim for a lifetime.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I support the death penalty. And in answer to those who thing it is torture beyond the crime, I beg to differ. Those criminals tortured the families of the victim for a lifetime.
    That doesn't justify killing someone that's no longer a threat to society. The justice system shouldn't be about revenge.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I support the death penalty. And in answer to those who thing it is torture beyond the crime, I beg to differ. Those criminals tortured the families of the victim for a lifetime.
    Well I think the counter argument would be that the same is done to the executed person's family, but like I said of all those arguments, I find that one the least compelling.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    I'm against the death penalty. I wanted to vote both, principles and practicality, but I could only choose 1, so I went with principle.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Why? Is it a detterent? If not why?
    Its not a deterent, people like MAJ Hassan are not afraid to die. Call it an emotional reason but I just believe that a act like the mass murder of so many people requires a death sentence, not to mention the tainted image of the organization he was apart of when we are in a conflict were our reputation means everything.

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