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Thread: Death Penalty in Theory

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I don't support the death penalty except in the most extreme of extreme cases, I feel the risk of being wrong and the added cost of death penalty court preceeding aren't worth it 99% of the time.

    Also, the death penalty doesn't deter crime.
    This is where I disagree. Not ONCE has anyone executed gone on to commit another crime. Look at the recidivism rates for those allowed to be "rehabilitated" and released. Trying to "deter" a crime is nearly mission impossible, as we have virtually no idea which tiny percentage of those among us are so inclined, but to prevent a recurrance for that (now known) convicted criminal is far more doable.

    Perhaps what we need is a Life Unless Rehabilitated sentence (for any felony offense), followed by an automatic Life Without Parole (or even death) for any offender that repeats (and gets convicted of) a second crime of greater or equal severity than that for which they were initially convicted (if the first crime resulted in the intentional loss of life).

    This sounds very harsh, and it is. If your first crime (conviction) is for robbery and you are then released as "rehabilitated" and go on to commit (and get convicted of) another robbery (or worse) then you are NEVER going to be released again. This is a huge deterent, as that limits ANY criminal to, at most, two felony convictions.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    I support it in the case of murder which can be proved beyond any doubt whatsoever. The death penalty for someone who intentionally causes the death of another, without cause, is justice.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    I support the notion in theory as there are things so wretched and cruel that they do not deserve the life with which they were blessed.

    It is the system that determines the sentence that is problematic in that far too many have been put to death who were innocent of the crime for which they were sentenced. For that reason, I oppose the death penalty in that I do not believe the killing of one innocent person should be the cost of delivering justice to a hundred.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    The death penalty deters the person from every murdering again.

    I see no reason for people to have to labor for the purpose of paying for the housing and all living expenses for life for the most violently dangerous sadistic criminals and murders on earth -other than those who would use them for population control as they tend to most target young people and particularly young females.

    Putting them in prison for life endangers everyone in that prison, none of which have a death sentence, and solitary confinement is torture.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    There is 0 evidence that a death penalty deters more people than life in prison.
    This really isn't an issue of deterrence, but one of justice being served.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I support the notion in theory as there are things so wretched and cruel that they do not deserve the life with which they were blessed.

    It is the system that determines the sentence that is problematic in that far too many have been put to death who were innocent of the crime for which they were sentenced. For that reason, I oppose the death penalty in that I do not believe the killing of one innocent person should be the cost of delivering justice to a hundred.
    Do you then also oppose imprisoning people given the thousands or tens of thousands who actually are innocent? Nothing will restore the lifetime they have lost either.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    I didn't mean sin in a religious sense-

    You do know the difference between punishment and prevention?

    When you lock someone up they cannot commit a crime, if you want to punish them, you want them to suffer for their crimes, the difference is in intent, one is to prevent further crime, the other is to make sure someone "pays" for their crime.

    THe death penalty is purely the latter.
    People in prison do commit crimes and do commit murder in prison. Ask any jailer.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do you then also oppose imprisoning people given the thousands or tens of thousands who actually are innocent? Nothing will restore the lifetime they have lost either.
    It's not the same logic at all, joko, because people in prison who are subsequently found innocent are freed and even recompensed for the mistake -- a person killed not quite so much.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    First off, let's me be clear, this is a thread about the death penalty, and while I'm flattered, we should stick to the topic.

    That being said, I would venture to guess that while an overwhelming percentage of voters want CP, (he just hasn't run ( yet )), you may find his leadership more palatable than you initially suspect.
    From what I have read, it could be fun. So throw your hat in the ring.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    I support DP, but not as a punishment.
    To enjoy the benefits of living in our society, a person must play by the rules.
    When a person repeatable shows that they are unwilling to play by the rules,
    They are no longer allowed to participate in society. (Prison is the exclusion from Society)
    When a person's rule breaking causes someone's death, and they have
    shown an unwillingness to ever follow the rules,
    We as a society can permanently revoke their right to participate in society.
    Their death is simply a consequence of the permanent removal of rights.

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