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Thread: Death Penalty in Theory

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You're the one stating it's cheaper to keep them incarcerated, not me. I have no problem with a reasonable appellate process, but IMV, federal courts should not be involved in a State's issue...
    You know, I think when killing someone maybe it can. And the SCOTUS is the One Ring, it rules over all others. Even State judiciary must yield to the SCOTUS.

    However, it is cheaper to keep one incarcerated for life than to kill them, and that's just added to the pile of the DP costing innocent life and not yielding any additional protection nor benefit. So couple it all together and the DP is just illogical.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    There are relatively few morals guiding today's society as we appear to be in a more anything goes mode, but I would be interested in where you received your values (morals)...
    Are you sure you're a liberal? You don't talk like any liberal I've ever met. Anyways, I received my initial values from that same place most people do: my parents. Of course my values have developed over time as I've contemplated my own personal ethics. I also took an ethics class in college (discussing utilitarian, Kantian, etc ethics).

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good evening, AP.

    When I think of the pioneers who pushed constantly Westward on this continent to make a life for their families better than the one they had, it makes me wonder what their thoughts would be while observing what's going on in today's society. They didn't have any of the modern technological wonders we enjoy, but they succeeded. Would they think "damn, I was born too soon," or were they ready and willing to try to improve their lives? So when and why did some become "entitled" to the fruits of someone's else's labor? That used to be called stealing or laziness back in those days, if you could provide for your family and chose not to....
    Unfortunately, we've gone way beyond this mentality in today's society...

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    Are you sure you're a liberal? You don't talk like any liberal I've ever met. Anyways, I received my initial values from that same place most people do: my parents. Of course my values have developed over time as I've contemplated my own personal ethics. I also took an ethics class in college (discussing utilitarian, Kantian, etc ethics).
    It's probably because your definition of liberal conforms with today's thinking of the term. Values are nothing more than personal beliefs and it's the collection of those beliefs that should shape a society. IMV, today, we pander to the fringe so as not to appear to be intolerant, but it has little relation to the values of society as a whole...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    It's probably because your definition of liberal conforms with today's thinking of the term. Values are nothing more than personal beliefs and it's the collection of those beliefs that should shape a society. IMV, today, we pander to the fringe so as not to appear to be intolerant, but it has little relation to the values of society as a whole...
    What society does your definition conform to? The 50's?

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    What society does your definition conform to? The 50's?
    Why would you think that?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I used to be very pro-capital punishment. Lately though, I've been moving away from that position somewhat. In theory, I accept that the death penalty can be an appropriate punishment. If a mentally healthy person willfully takes the life of another, I see that as forfeiting their own right to life. However, in our practice I'm not sure I can support it. There is at the very least controversy over whether or not the cost of the capital case outweighs that of life in prison, with actual statistics being very hard to come by. There is also the trouble of exonerated death row inmates and wrongful executions. In my opinion the difference in punishment between death and life in prison is not worth the chance of wrongful execution, which seems to be significant. There is also the question of whether the death penalty is equally applied among everyone. Lastly, although I'm not sure I agree with this, some people have argued that the death penalty is not an equal response to murder, because death row inmates must spend years waiting and knowing that they are going to die. It is suggested this is a torture exceeding that which the convicted gave his or her victims. I think this is the weakest argument of them, but it may have some merit. In a perfect world where a 100% guilty person was immediately put to death, with the whole thing costing less than life in prison, I could easily support that, but in our real world I'm not sure anymore that capital punishment is practical.

    But I'm curious about how the people on DP feel about it. Especially to see if there are significant groups of people among those who oppose the death penalty who support the idea in theory, but not in reality and those who simply oppose the idea in principle.
    In theory, I'd personally would want people executed in 5 years for only the worst offenders. I'm talking Ariell Castro or the guy from Aurora bad. If that isn't possible, then its better to do away with it.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Why would you think that?
    Well, primarily because your comments, that I've seen on DP, seem to closely match with many of the comments of conservatives. And, what might have been progressive in say, the 50's, might be considered conservative today.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    Well, primarily because your comments, that I've seen on DP, seem to closely match with many of the comments of conservatives. And, what might have been progressive in say, the 50's, might be considered conservative today.
    Answer one question if you would. Do you consider it acceptable for a society to condone and support such a high percentage of single parent households as we have in this country? I don;t consider this to be a question of the 50's but relevant to today's continuation of moral decline...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Answer one question if you would. Do you consider it acceptable for a society to condone and support such a high percentage of single parent households as we have in this country? I don;t consider this to be a question of the 50's but relevant to today's continuation of moral decline...
    Of course for function it works best with one working parent and one stay at home, but society has degraded to such point where it's not possible. So long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others in the process, they are free to do as they like.
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