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Thread: Death Penalty in Theory

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The voters of the individual States choose whether or not it is appropriate. Why should society be forced to support a person of a heinous crime as determined by a judge and jury for life?
    Because the cost of innocent life isn't worth your revenge. Supporting that person guilty of a heinous crime is cheaper than killing him. Killing him gets us nothing more other than debt, killing him will consume the innocent lives of others, killing him brings no additional benefit. It's illogical.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, the people decided that when they made the death penalty legal and designated certain crimes liable for execution. No emotion involved.
    You're full of it. Of course there was emotion involved in their votes, especially if you consider any moral judgement an emotional response. Humans are emotional creatures.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because the cost of innocent life isn't worth your revenge. Supporting that person guilty of a heinous crime is cheaper than killing him. Killing him gets us nothing more other than debt, killing him will consume the innocent lives of others, killing him brings no additional benefit. It's illogical.
    I'm not seeking revenge. I'm for upholding state laws regarding the appropriate punishment for the offense committed and convicted...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm not seeking revenge. I'm for upholding state laws regarding the appropriate punishment for the offense committed and convicted...
    We're talking about whether it's right or wrong. A law can be morally wrong.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm not seeking revenge. I'm for upholding state laws regarding the appropriate punishment for the offense committed and convicted...
    And the punishment is unreasonable. It costs more money, it costs innocent live, and it gets us nothing in the end. So why should we continue to endorse the broken system? LWOP does just as well without killing people. And it's cheaper. So why do we need to continue in this manner? It's illogical.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    We're talking about whether it's right or wrong. A law can be morally wrong.
    There are relatively few morals guiding today's society as we appear to be in a more anything goes mode, but I would be interested in where you received your values (morals)...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And the punishment is unreasonable. It costs more money, it costs innocent live, and it gets us nothing in the end. So why should we continue to endorse the broken system? LWOP does just as well without killing people. And it's cheaper. So why do we need to continue in this manner? It's illogical.
    If a felon's sentence was carried out the next day after conviction, how much would that cost?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    If a felon's sentence was carried out the next day after conviction, how much would that cost?
    If that were true, how many more innocents would you kill? Are you ok with that? You just exacerbate the current problems by speeding it up and taking out the checks. And then how much are you going to be paying out to the families of innocent people put to death by the State? How many millions per settlement is that? You're still going to cost us more money, only now you're going to kill more innocent people and still not net us out anything above that which LWOP provides.

    It's illogical.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If that were true, how many more innocents would you kill? Are you ok with that? You just exacerbate the current problems by speeding it up and taking out the checks. And then how much are you going to be paying out to the families of innocent people put to death by the State? How many millions per settlement is that? You're still going to cost us more money, only now you're going to kill more innocent people and still not net us out anything above that which LWOP provides.

    It's illogical.
    You're the one stating it's cheaper to keep them incarcerated, not me. I have no problem with a reasonable appellate process, but IMV, federal courts should not be involved in a State's issue...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Reality is what has been created over the last hundred or so years, but it doesn't mean it is what is best for the country. If one is not informed, an informed decision cannot be made. If one depends on another for their support, that's where their vote will most likely go...
    Good evening, AP.

    When I think of the pioneers who pushed constantly Westward on this continent to make a life for their families better than the one they had, it makes me wonder what their thoughts would be while observing what's going on in today's society. They didn't have any of the modern technological wonders we enjoy, but they succeeded. Would they think "damn, I was born too soon," or were they ready and willing to try to improve their lives? So when and why did some become "entitled" to the fruits of someone's else's labor? That used to be called stealing or laziness back in those days, if you could provide for your family and chose not to....

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