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Thread: Death Penalty in Theory

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    blah blah blah, not relevant. Stay on target.
    We know you can't argue the criticism, it's okay.

    Well excuse me if we need to make damned sure that the guy you want to put a bullet through is guilty of the crime you claim him to be guilty of. Oh the travesty!

    This is the ultimate use of government force, you do not get to use it on whim.
    Another emotional argument. Come on people, can anyone here be rational for a moment?
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The system was not designed to achieve the correct outcome every time; it was designed to be as fair as possible given we're all human...
    Exactly. We do make mistakes. We will always make mistakes. To expect us to ever not make mistakes is not a rational expectation. That said, we should continually learn from our mistakes and make a good faith effort not to make the same mistakes over again. Will we ever be perfect? Of course not, nor should we ever expect to be. Welcome to reality.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The system was not designed to achieve the correct outcome every time; it was designed to be as fair as possible given we're all human...
    I know it's not, but it is designed to err on the side of the accused. Because we do not have perfect knowledge is all the more reason not to kill people we are throwing into jail.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It just goes to show how many people react emotionally rather than think rationally, which is a massive problem in the world today.
    It's not an emotional issue. I just think it's wrong to kill someone unless they place me in immediate danger (and no, I don't count being in a prison, still alive, as being immediate danger).

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    I support the Death Penalty, and my support will likely strengthen as Forensic techniques and science does the same.

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    It's not an emotional issue. I just think it's wrong to kill someone unless they place me in immediate danger (and no, I don't count being in a prison, still alive, as being immediate danger).
    Which is a moral argument, thus an emotional one. Back to square one.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Another emotional argument. Come on people, can anyone here be rational for a moment?
    That's statement of fact. If you are going to use the ultimate government force, you must be able to prove the point. We already know the flaws of the system, we've seen the people exonerated, we've seeing the moratoriums because it was found that over half the people on death row were there for crimes the did not commit, we know that because of lack of perfect knowledge we will kill innocent people by endorsing the death penalty. You want to use the ultimate government force, you cannot just do so because you think it's justice or you think its right or you think that the individual doesn't deserve life. It must be proven and with increased government force comes increased burden of proof.

    You endorse a broken system and have no argument for it. There is no added safety above LWOP, it is more expensive, it consume innocent life, it is not necessary anymore. None of these facts have you been able to counter.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    It's not an emotional issue. I just think it's wrong to kill someone unless they place me in immediate danger (and no, I don't count being in a prison, still alive, as being immediate danger).
    Unfortunately, the person that he/she killed did not have the ability to kill the murderer on the spot, when the threat occurred. That would have been the ultimate solution to the problem.
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I know it's not, but it is designed to err on the side of the accused. Because we do not have perfect knowledge is all the more reason not to kill people we are throwing into jail.
    The system does err on the side of the accused which is why it should not take decades to administer the justice decided. What is the percentage of individuals in prison that are sentenced to death. I would guess it's somewhat miniscule compared to those serving other sentences...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Death Penalty in Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Unfortunately, the person that he/she killed did not have the ability to kill the murderer on the spot, when the threat occurred. That would have been the ultimate solution to the problem.
    Indeed, but threat removed is threat removed; and once the threat is removed you may no longer act. Humans are monkeys and it would be great if we all acknowledged and lived by the rights and liberties of the other; but not everyone does. But that doesn't mean we must sink to the lowest common denominator because of it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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