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Thread: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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    Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Federal Welfare. Should we keep it the way it is, severely reform it or end it completely?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    I say we severely reform it. I'm all for helping people out...when they NEED it.

    Some issues with our current state of welfare:
    -Welfare is way too easy to get. There are too many people that are far from needing welfare.

    -Welfare pays too much. Welfare is supposed to be just enough to keep you alive, welfare is not supposed to be comfortable! If it's comfortable than where is the initiative to go out and work?

    -Welfare lasts too long. Welfare should be there just enough to help you get back on your feet.

    -The "Obamaphone" welfare program gets its own section. There are a lot of things wrong with people getting phones from welfare programs. If you can't figure out why, then you will never get it.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    I say end it and let social organizations, charities, families, and friends help those in need. Our government is too big now to enforce any serious reform.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    You can't end it. That would result in a revolution-sized riot, and it'd be from the part of the populace that has guns and would use them.

    I definitely don't want to keep it as-is. It's led to entitlement beyond belief.

    I've been a loud proponent for welfare reform. Ideally it a) would last no more than 6 months, b) require its recipients to be gainfully employed, or assigned public service employment at a bare minimum of wage, c) would be discontinued if a random drug test was ever failed, and d) would mandate birth control be required for any female recipient.

    There are many other things I would changed, but I touched upon some of the larger ones.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    Federal Welfare. Should we keep it the way it is, severely reform it or end it completely?
    Keep it but reform it.


    1.Make phasing from welfare to job a lot easier.One of the problems people have is that once they even start doing even a little bit of work they are immediately cut off.

    2.Foodstamps should be similar to the wic voucher program.In the wic voucher program the vouchers tell you what you can get and when you can get it.

    3.A nutritionist should determine what each family needs and those vouchers reflect that.

    4.A state issued ID or driver's license should be required to use WIC,foodstamps or any other tax payer funded assistance.

    5.Instead of giving cash to the recipient for rent and utilities, the rent and utility payments will be wired to land lord's account and utility companies.

    6.Welfare recipients will either be issued bus passes in which they must show a state issued ID or driver's license or if they drive a car they will be issued a gas card which they must show a state issued driver's license and only will be issued enough gas to go to school,work,grocery store and or pick up kids from school.

    7.Additional welfare/foodstamps will not be granted for any additional kids the recipient has while on welfare/foodstamps.

    8.Able bodied people will either work,or to trade school in order to get welfare/foodstamps or they will be on work details to clean up trash, or mow lawns on public property until they get a job.

    9.Foodstamps will not pay for any name brand foods,luxury foods(sushi, lobster, expensive cuts of meat, or any other luxury foods) energy drinks, sugary drinks, cookies, cakes, candies, or any other junk food.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Keep it but reform it.


    1.Make phasing from welfare to job a lot easier.One of the problems people have is that once they even start doing even a little bit of work they are immediately cut off.

    2.Foodstamps should be similar to the wic voucher program.In the wic voucher program the vouchers tell you what you can get and when you can get it.

    3.A nutritionist should determine what each family needs and those vouchers reflect that.

    4.A state issued ID or driver's license should be required to use WIC,foodstamps or any other tax payer funded assistance.

    5.Instead of giving cash to the recipient for rent and utilities, the rent and utility payments will be wired to land lord's account and utility companies.

    6.Welfare recipients will either be issued bus passes in which they must show a state issued ID or driver's license or if they drive a car they will be issued a gas card which they must show a state issued driver's license and only will be issued enough gas to go to school,work,grocery store and or pick up kids from school.

    7.Additional welfare/foodstamps will not be granted for any additional kids the recipient has while on welfare/foodstamps.

    8.Able bodied people will either work,or to trade school in order to get welfare/foodstamps or they will be on work details to clean up trash, or mow lawns on public property until they get a job.

    9.Foodstamps will not pay for any name brand foods,luxury foods(sushi, lobster, expensive cuts of meat, or any other luxury foods) energy drinks, sugary drinks, cookies, cakes, candies, or any other junk food.
    Excellent post. I agree, and you've really hit over some very major points, as well as elaborated nicely. 10/10

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    This thread needs perspective. Here's an interesting look at government benefits as a whole. Welfare, meaning direct cash paymet, in 2011, went to about 7% of households:

    More here

    And some general stats about welfare specifically

    Welfare is a very small expenditure, relative to other federal entitlements, and is only short-term assistance for a big majority of recipients. I'm not sure we need to come down hard on the poorest. The biggest beneficiary of government spending, after all, are the elderly and and the middle class. And if you start to add in tax benefits, well, I guess we all suckle at the government teet at one time or another .. should we all be forced to mow lawns and not eat Twinkies?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Keep it but reform it.


    1.Make phasing from welfare to job a lot easier.One of the problems people have is that once they even start doing even a little bit of work they are immediately cut off.

    2.Foodstamps should be similar to the wic voucher program.In the wic voucher program the vouchers tell you what you can get and when you can get it.

    3.A nutritionist should determine what each family needs and those vouchers reflect that.

    4.A state issued ID or driver's license should be required to use WIC,foodstamps or any other tax payer funded assistance.

    5.Instead of giving cash to the recipient for rent and utilities, the rent and utility payments will be wired to land lord's account and utility companies.

    6.Welfare recipients will either be issued bus passes in which they must show a state issued ID or driver's license or if they drive a car they will be issued a gas card which they must show a state issued driver's license and only will be issued enough gas to go to school,work,grocery store and or pick up kids from school.

    7.Additional welfare/foodstamps will not be granted for any additional kids the recipient has while on welfare/foodstamps.

    8.Able bodied people will either work,or to trade school in order to get welfare/foodstamps or they will be on work details to clean up trash, or mow lawns on public property until they get a job.

    9.Foodstamps will not pay for any name brand foods,luxury foods(sushi, lobster, expensive cuts of meat, or any other luxury foods) energy drinks, sugary drinks, cookies, cakes, candies, or any other junk food.
    Actually, I came here to make a snarky remark about increasing welfare but I like your post because it's so reasonable (other than the nutritionist bureaucracy).

    I think that while welfare needs cleaning up (your suggestions √) so nothing is stolen, we should recognize that we do have a welfare class of unemployable people and that it isn't only ones taking advantage. Automation has eliminated many strong back weak mind jobs and we will never see full employment again. So, some people must live on the dole.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    What would you consider full employment and when did automation put an end to that?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Actually, I came here to make a snarky remark about increasing welfare but I like your post because it's so reasonable (other than the nutritionist bureaucracy).

    I think that while welfare needs cleaning up (your suggestions √) so nothing is stolen, we should recognize that we do have a welfare class of unemployable people and that it isn't only ones taking advantage. Automation has eliminated many strong back weak mind jobs and we will never see full employment again. So, some people must live on the dole.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Make it a one time deal (keeping biometeric data of the recipient to assure that no repeat is possible) and of a fixed amount calculated at 2080 (40 hours for 52 weeks) times the federal hourly minimum wage. No tests, qualifications or any other "strings" - beyond what liberals want for voting. U.S. tourism will boom! Better secure the border first.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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