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Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

  • Keep it!

    Votes: 15 23.4%
  • Keep it, but it needs SEVERE reform.

    Votes: 33 51.6%
  • End it

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 7 10.9%

  • Total voters
    64
Compared to what we have now? Yes. If we are not promoting ways to grow the individual and economy, then it will eventually become a free-for-all at some point in time anyway...

:agree: It probably will happen because what we have now cannot continue indefinitely. :eek:
 
If its so terrible, why has it remained for over 80 years now? We've had all sorts of different leaders during those 8 decades.

I guess my most burning question is why do you object to it?

It's remained so long because once an entitlement begins, it's nearly impossible to end as people start to rely on it. Look at how nuts people get in Europe when their leaders start to talk about cutting entitlements.

I object to it because I don't think it's fair that one person should be forced to financially support another. I also think it often keeps the recipient from reaching their potential, as they're bypassing much of what are the really tough times that build ones character by accepting long term assistance. I also think it's bad for families, as times always get tough in relationships, especially marriages, and knowing you can get long term money that could help take the place of a spouse is an option that wouldn't be there without welfare. Another problem that I have is that it's administered by the government, who has a history of corruption and inefficiency, which is even more of a waste of our tax dollars.

There is a difference between the unexpected heartfelt gifts that people used to give each other during hard times to help one another out and today's entitlements, which are expected and come in the form a nameless check from the government.

I'm going to bed now, so if you reply, I'll have to catch you tomorrow. Goodnight Specklebang. :)
 
It's remained so long because once an entitlement begins, it's nearly impossible to end as people start to rely on it. Look at how nuts people get in Europe when their leaders start to talk about cutting entitlements.

I object to it because I don't think it's fair that one person should be forced to financially support another. I also think it often keeps the recipient from reaching their potential, as they're bypassing much of what are the really tough times that build ones character by accepting long term assistance. I also think it's bad for families, as times always get tough in relationships, especially marriages, and knowing you can get long term money that could help take the place of a spouse is an option that wouldn't be there without welfare. Another problem that I have is that it's administered by the government, who has a history of corruption and inefficiency, which is even more of a waste of our tax dollars.

There is a difference between the unexpected heartfelt gifts that people used to give each other during hard times to help one another out and today's entitlements, which are expected and come in the form a nameless check from the government.

I'm going to bed now, so if you reply, I'll have to catch you tomorrow. Goodnight Specklebang. :)

Excellent post, JC. :2wave:

Be well.
 
It's remained so long because once an entitlement begins, it's nearly impossible to end as people start to rely on it. Look at how nuts people get in Europe when their leaders start to talk about cutting entitlements.

I object to it because I don't think it's fair that one person should be forced to financially support another. I also think it often keeps the recipient from reaching their potential, as they're bypassing much of what are the really tough times that build ones character by accepting long term assistance. I also think it's bad for families, as times always get tough in relationships, especially marriages, and knowing you can get long term money that could help take the place of a spouse is an option that wouldn't be there without welfare. Another problem that I have is that it's administered by the government, who has a history of corruption and inefficiency, which is even more of a waste of our tax dollars.

There is a difference between the unexpected heartfelt gifts that people used to give each other during hard times to help one another out and today's entitlements, which are expected and come in the form a nameless check from the government.

I'm going to bed now, so if you reply, I'll have to catch you tomorrow. Goodnight Specklebang. :)

Well, we've talked it to death and I'm sure we can meet in the middle with a much, much more efficient system that uses better judgement. Not sure about privatizing it though.

See ya tomorrow.:)
 
I certainly agree with treatment -- especially as an alternative to prison. But it all costs money.

Nothing is free my friend but the welfare is so corrupt with millions of people on it who don't deserve it........Like I said earlier start from scratch and any applicant would have to be drug tested before they qualify...........
 
Other.....
There may not even be a problem............other than fear and ignorance...

Automation, IMO, began hundreds of thousands years ago , with the simple lever, and those with the weak minds have been struggling to catch up ever since...
A second class education system helps not....
 
It's remained so long because once an entitlement begins, it's nearly impossible to end as people start to rely on it. Look at how nuts people get in Europe when their leaders start to talk about cutting entitlements.

I object to it because I don't think it's fair that one person should be forced to financially support another.If we had a far better quality of people, this "forcing " would NOT be necessary ! I also think it often keeps the recipient from reaching their potential, as they're bypassing much of what are the really tough times that build ones character by accepting long term assistance. I also think it's bad for families, as times always get tough in relationships, especially marriages, and knowing you can get long term money that could help take the place of a spouse is an option that wouldn't be there without welfare. Another problem that I have is that it's administered by the government, who has a history of corruption and inefficiency, which is even more of a waste of our tax dollars.

There is a difference between the unexpected heartfelt gifts that people used to give each other during hard times to help one another out and today's entitlements, which are expected and come in the form a nameless check from the government.

I'm going to bed now, so if you reply, I'll have to catch you tomorrow. Goodnight Specklebang. :)
But, of course, we do not..
Greed and selfishness rule the day !
Man has failed...
But things do not have to stay this way.
Thru a really good education system, conditions can and will improve...
Has anyone ever had a heart to heart discussion with a welfare recipient ??
 
Part of me would like to see it ended altogether, just to witness the horror of idiot Cons, who weren't expecting the bloodbath. My guess is that, within a fortnight, the Conservative stratum would either convert or be beheaded, as it were. lulz

"OMG! I never anticipated such a reaction!". duuuuuuuh :doh

It's a peculiarity of Cons, that they cannot comprehend why someone wouldn't be willing to quietly lie down and die.
 
People would achieve much more of their potential if it weren't for welfare, or to quote you, we would have "better quality people", as people would be forced to be tougher, smarter, more resilient, and make better relationship decisions without that safety net.

I'd say that the wealthy and industrious in our society are already paying the lions share of taxes supporting welfare, and you consider them greedy and selfish?

What would it take for a better education system? We pump tons of money into it now and it just seems to be getting worse, meanwhile your average home schooled kid seems leaps and bounds smarter and better equipped for life in comparison.


But, of course, we do not..
Greed and selfishness rule the day !
Man has failed...
But things do not have to stay this way.
Thru a really good education system, conditions can and will improve...
Has anyone ever had a heart to heart discussion with a welfare recipient ??
 
People would achieve much more of their potential if it weren't for welfare, or to quote you, we would have "better quality people", as people would be forced to be tougher, smarter, more resilient, and make better relationship decisions without that safety net.

I'd say that the wealthy and industrious in our society are already paying the lions share of taxes supporting welfare, and you consider them greedy and selfish?

What would it take for a better education system? We pump tons of money into it now and it just seems to be getting worse, meanwhile your average home schooled kid seems leaps and bounds smarter and better equipped for life in comparison.

Good afternoon, JC. :2wave:

:agree: with your observations. I believe a home-schooled child knows his parents care whether or not he learns, and that makes a difference. It helps that they are getting undivided attention from their "teacher," too, and can proceed as fast, or slow, as they need to! :thumbs:.
 
Afternoon Polgara :2wave:

I agree with you as well. Some people make the point that a home schooled child doesn't get enough social contact, but you couldn't meet more social kids than the 3 siblings who used to live next door to me, as they had tons of friends as well as being very smart and of good character.

Good afternoon, JC. :2wave:

:agree: with your observations. I believe a home-schooled child knows his parents care whether or not he learns, and that makes a difference. It helps that they are getting undivided attention from their "teacher," too, and can proceed as fast, or slow, as they need to! :thumbs:.
 
But, of course, we do not..
Greed and selfishness rule the day !
Man has failed...
But things do not have to stay this way.
Thru a really good education system, conditions can and will improve...
Has anyone ever had a heart to heart discussion with a welfare recipient ??

That's a great doom and gloom perspective...mixed with a tad of idealism that is only a small portion of what would improve the economic well being of all Americans.

My questions to you are: Have you ever had a heart to heart talk with children who are in families who are welfare recipients? Children are the most powerless minority on the planet. They can't speak for themselves.

Have you had a heart to heart talk with an indigent elderly person who is a welfare recipient? The indigent elderly are the second most powerless minority on the planet.

When I use the word "minority" - it means "politically".

And - have you had a heart to heart talk with an adult welfare recipient? If so...why?

Poverty is complex. Generational poverty is even more complex. Poverty is so complex that most people don't truly understand it...nor will they because it is a part of the human condition that extends beyond political implications, educational deficits, public perceptions. Understanding poverty would require a huge effort for all people to step out of their biased views, prejudices, and ignorance which hasn't happened by accident.

Some people devote many years in higher education institutions to understand the dynamics of poverty with the hope that they can somehow be an effective change agent.

Unless all facets of the problems can be identified and understood by most people...viable solutions will never be possible.

Perhaps, as you said, man has failed. If man has failed, it hasn't happened by accident or circumstance of birth. It's happened because we are taught from a very young age that poverty is always somebody elses problem. We are taught that poverty is "always" a choice. We are taught that dishonesty and intentional malfeasance by individuals...is the root of poverty.

Obviously, you believe those things...along with a lot of other people.
 
Yes we should just end everyone on welfare
do it for the children
 
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