View Poll Results: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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  • Keep it!

    19 24.05%
  • Keep it, but it needs SEVERE reform.

    38 48.10%
  • End it

    15 18.99%
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    7 8.86%
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Thread: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Temporary emergency assistance becomes permanent by turning into a sequence of emergencies. A new emergency emerges as soon as the temporary assistance ends.

    Perhaps welfare SHOULD be permanent, and should come with a corresponding permanent loss of autonomy, thus dissuading most people from ever wanting any government help.
    Let's put all the old people on medicare in detention camps -- meager rations and little else for the dependent classes.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Temporary emergency assistance becomes permanent by turning into a sequence of emergencies. A new emergency emerges as soon as the temporary assistance ends.

    Perhaps welfare SHOULD be permanent, and should come with a corresponding permanent loss of autonomy, thus dissuading most people from ever wanting any government help.
    If you mean that a person loses autonomy while he's on government assistance, then I'm all for that.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Yeah, all better...lol

    Detroit, Model City for the War on Poverty:

    Attachment 67152643
    Soooo, this means what? A city dies because industry leaves and no business comes in to replace it. That's the fault of the citizens? Please explain how showing me poverty which supports a need for welfare programs somehow supports your position they would do better begging for charity.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Some level of aid ... is always going to be necessary for a percentage of society. That's the nature of our economy. And it's not about the moral failings of those rendered dependent, so shaming policies are simply not necessary.

    If every American earned an engineering degree, then engineers would command minimum wage. In a competitive economy, scarcity of skill helps determine value. There will always be a scale of economic viability, and at least 49% of us will be on the lower end of it. While "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" is good advice on the individual level, it's meaningless when creating policy for a society of 350 million people.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    how would the democrats buy votes if you derailed the
    welfare/unemployment/social_security/medicare/medicaid/obamacare gravy train?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    OMG people---why don't we just send them all to jail....

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    so shaming policies are simply not necessary.
    the shame is in the utter destruction of the middle class but that was the object of socialism all along so by that measure it is a screaming success.
    New Hope for the Wretched era

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    OMG people---why don't we just send them all to jail....
    kill them, that's what has happened in all the other commie societies ain't it?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    the shame is in the utter destruction of the middle class but that was the object of socialism all along so by that measure it is a screaming success.
    That's not the goal and Capitalism doesn't have a middle class. That we created.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    TOL, you didn't build that!

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