View Poll Results: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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    19 24.05%
  • Keep it, but it needs SEVERE reform.

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  • End it

    15 18.99%
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Thread: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    I'm all for some kind of emergency assistance, but it's got to be temporary. God knows we all need some kind of help at one point in our lives. We were caught between insurances when my wife had our son. We would've been up a creek if it wasn't for Medicaid. That being said, my wife and I have both resolved to never be in that situation again.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    You're not only happy to have your taxes used, your happy for other peoples money to go to your programs against their will. I'm totally for charity work, it's just that I believe that I should set an example of what should be done and hope others follow rather than forcing others to donate to such an utter failure as our federal governments War on Poverty (see Detroit).

    And it's not one hundredth of a penny. Taking all forms of welfare (83 programs incl. food stamps, public housing, EIC, etc...), between state and federal, we spent over 1 trillion dollars in 2011.


    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    LOL It took me a couple of re-reads to figure out what you were trying to say here.

    I work and pay my taxes, happy to let some of them be used for social welfare programs. I give blood freely although I've never had to use any. I've volunteered at food lines, serving, cooking and donating food. Now you don't have to do that, you are under no obligation.

    Hmmmm.. Can I presume like me that you pay taxes? Now I am sure that there are many things you don't like our government doing they use our taxes to pay for. I know there are some that I don't like.

    I bet there are some things you DO support our government paying for though. How about looking at it this way. Instead of thinking of your one-onehundreth of a penny in taxes that might be used for social welfare programs just pretend I paid two-onehundreths because I support them and you paid two-onehundreths to programs you do support?

    There you go! Now none of YOUR tax dollars went to a program you don't support. All better now?? LOL

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    If you were spending more that you took in and were charged with the responsibility to not only
    'live within your means' but actually pay down your 'debt' of course you'd lower taxes yesterday to get more revenue
    but seriously folks other than quitting the job of 'Team America World Police' (you could save a bundle right there)
    are you smarter than fifth grader? A moron could finger this one out.

    2010 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    You're not only happy to have your taxes used, your happy for other peoples money to go to your programs against their will.
    Not at all. Just think of it as if your Congressmen know how you vote so they send YOUR taxes where you like and MY taxes where I like. Voila! You haven't paid for any programs against your will!!!

    Now, is it all better??? LOL
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    IMO I think it would be advantageous to allow states to keep more of the money they send Washington and allow them to use it to address welfare issues in each state. Every state is different and so are their needs. Instead of these federal mammoth welfare programs that result in lots of double dipping, waste and fraud, the state would be able to eliminate much of it and target their specific problems more efficiently.

    I also think having more business friendly legislation that would promote the creation of jobs needs to be part of the picture for welfare reform to be successful.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    How many people has to turn to assistance is not the question, but how it is administered. Welfare needs serious reform, it should not be a permanent solution for the needy to live on, but one that encourages back to work incentives that a person would rather get off Welfare than stay on it. I think you are saying the same thing.
    You are correct. I am saying the same thing.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is because the "mean" red states would likely make the great loafing class leave to get their "deserved" benefits elsewhere in short order.
    The statistics I posted demonstrate quite well that such a "great loafing class" doesn't really exist.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I'm all for some kind of emergency assistance, but it's got to be temporary.
    Temporary emergency assistance becomes permanent by turning into a sequence of emergencies. A new emergency emerges as soon as the temporary assistance ends.

    Perhaps welfare SHOULD be permanent, and should come with a corresponding permanent loss of autonomy, thus dissuading most people from ever wanting any government help.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If they are truly addicted then they should be helped with treatment........Not free money.
    I certainly agree with treatment -- especially as an alternative to prison. But it all costs money.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Yeah, all better...lol

    Detroit, Model City for the War on Poverty:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Not at all. Just think of it as if your Congressmen know how you vote so they send YOUR taxes where you like and MY taxes where I like. Voila! You haven't paid for any programs against your will!!!

    Now, is it all better??? LOL
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