View Poll Results: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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    19 24.05%
  • Keep it, but it needs SEVERE reform.

    38 48.10%
  • End it

    15 18.99%
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Thread: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    And what then for those whose poverty stems from addiction? What about those who smoked a joint a few days ago? They should just be allowed to slip through society's gutters? How about we just randomly drug test everyone ... just stop them on the street, tap them on the shoulder and have them piss in a cup? It's pretty firmly established that nearly all us get government benefits at some time in our lives. Shouldn't we all be subject to more scrutiny, then?
    If they are truly addicted then they should be helped with treatment........Not free money.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Let's let the states handle welfare how they see fit. Some states, like Cali and Texas need protections against abuse from illegal aliens, while other states might need protection for seasonal workers as construction and farming halts during winter.
    You mean let the states actually handle something for once? *gasp*

    Good idea by the way

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anonymous polls suck
    I agree, they don't have the guts to make them public.......It really is simple to do. just check the block.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Many of these programs are operated at the state level but funded federally.
    Federal funds come with strings. They are state run, but only on the surface.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    You mean let the states actually handle something for once? *gasp*

    Good idea by the way
    I think the states could do a better job by far but the government won't let them.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    I voted to keep it, but only because I think the basic idea--that human beings who form a society should help each other--is right. I would run things very differently. First, I would make welfare mostly an employer-of-last-resort program. I can think many thousands of tasks that need doing all over the country, and which would generate economic benefit. If you require welfare in my (admittedly imaginary) nation, I will feed and cloth you and your family, and I will provide shelter and medicine. But you should be willing, in turn, to do work. I'll find something for you to do, I assure you. And more importantly, there won't be any stigma attached. You'll have a job, and you'll be producing value for everyone else in society. Now, there are many common-sense caveats. For example, if you're a single woman who is pregnant, or a single mother, you'll get a little more consideration. However, I would make it a crime punishable by a severe sentence for someone to take unfair advantage of this kind of generosity...

    Second, I would reprogram education so that we go back to much more conservative models--we should drill students in mathematics and the classics before anything else. While this may seem unrelated, I suspect very strongly that students prepared by such a program will find their own sense of integrity and honor. And when you have a society of people who have integrity and honor, the applicants for welfare will, in 99.99% of the instances, really need help, which they won't use any longer than necessary.

    Third, I would also reprogram education so as to make sure that everyone living in the U.S. should think of themselves as being part of a nation. Let's make it so that liberals and conservatives remember one basic fact: that we're a lot more alike than we are different. Ask any liberal and any conservative drawn at random on the street what they would do if they saw a person beating the living crap out of a defenseless infant, and the vast majority would agree that they won't just ignore it. They'll intervene, and/or call the police. I think most of us have forgotten them simple fact that we're generally decent folk, and that, perhaps, we can start there to find common ground. If we can do that, welfare programs will generally be used by people who really need our help, and who have in the past supported themselves, and in the future, will again.
    Last edited by ashurbanipal; 08-25-13 at 11:53 PM.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think the states could do a better job by far but the government won't let them.
    That is because the "mean" red states would likely make the great loafing class leave to get their "deserved" benefits elsewhere in short order.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is because the "mean" red states would likely make the great loafing class leave to get their "deserved" benefits elsewhere in short order.
    That is why you clean up the program.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    Federal Welfare. Should we keep it the way it is, severely reform it or end it completely?
    "Severe" is an interesting adjective to use, but I chose that option, although across the spectrum I am closer to simply ending it than I am to simply keeping it.

    Basically, I think social welfare is needed for people who, for some reason or another, can't be their own legal guardians. That is to say, if you've demonstrated an inability to care for yourself such that you need the assistance of society, you will lose some of your legal, financial and other decision-making abilities. Administering this still requires money, thus welfare is still alive and well, it is just attached more judiciously to one's guardianship over oneself. In short, if you're going to become a dependent of society, you should have about the same autonomy as other dependents (e.g. children) do.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    "Severe" is an interesting adjective to use, but I chose that option, although across the spectrum I am closer to simply ending it than I am to simply keeping it.

    Basically, I think social welfare is needed for people who, for some reason or another, can't be their own legal guardians. That is to say, if you've demonstrated an inability to care for yourself such that you need the assistance of society, you will lose some of your legal, financial and other decision-making abilities. Administering this still requires money, thus welfare is still alive and well, it is just attached more judiciously to one's guardianship over oneself. In short, if you're going to become a dependent of society, you should have about the same autonomy as other dependents (e.g. children) do.
    Very interesting observation, and a very new one I might add. This one has actually got me thinking.

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