View Poll Results: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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Thread: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The "Obamaphone" is a myth. It was initiated in 1984 and known as the Lifeline Program. The first cellphone component of Lifeline was initiated in 2008 under George Bush. snopes.com: Free 'ObamaPhones' for Welfare Recipients
    Please correct me if I'm wrong but that article did not disprove the "myth" of Obamaphones, but merely claimed it started back in the 1980s. If that is the case, I still rest my case. This forum was not a thread to bash Obama, so I don't really care when it originated...that benefit still needs to go.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Full employment is when everybody has a job. Automation (and other factors) have been eating away at this for the last 30 years or so. When there is a job for everyone within their skills and the only ones not working are because they are too old, weak, dysfunctional, disabled.

    These replaced millions of workers and enabled us to hire overseas labor which is much cheaper.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Thank you for posting this. I was going to comment something similar. People really do have misunderstandings about welfare. Especially recent changes, many under Clinton, and how many families have had to turn to assistance since the recent economic crash
    How many people has to turn to assistance is not the question, but how it is administered. Welfare needs serious reform, it should not be a permanent solution for the needy to live on, but one that encourages back to work incentives that a person would rather get off Welfare than stay on it. I think you are saying the same thing.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    - Incentivize 2 parent homes, which might include treating one stay at home parent as eligible if total household income is below a certain level as if she were single.

    - Incentivize kids making good grades in school and staying out of legal trouble such as Christmas bonuses for welfare families where kids make good grades and have clean records. Partial bonuses for former thug families but have tuned over a new leaf.

    - Require some work, volunteerism or education/vocational training.

    - Recipients banned from purchasing alcohol or tobacco while on welfare. In my state underage drivers are given a drivers liscence with a color that tells adult beverage merchants they are underage and may not buy alcohol or tobacco. Give welfare recipients that same color ID.

    - Restrict food stamp purchases to healthy options. No sugar, sugary food, fatty food, cooking oil or non-whole grains or their products.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Keep it but restrict it to people that actually need it..........Under Obama it has become totally out of control especially food stamps.
    Why? If it is a right then it should be available to all citizens, and equally. Why reward only economic failure? If you subsidize something (out of wedlock childbirth to a HS drop-out), then you tend to get more of it. If you tax something (earning a decent wage) then you tend to get less of it.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    Please correct me if I'm wrong but that article did not disprove the "myth" of Obamaphones, but merely claimed it started back in the 1980s. If that is the case, I still rest my case. This forum was not a thread to bash Obama, so I don't really care when it originated...that benefit still needs to go.
    You're welcome to rest your case. But don't call it an Obamaphone; because it isn't. He didn't start the program nor did he institute the cell phone component.

    As for it "still needs to go" -- I disagree. Know what keeps homeless people homeless most of all? No way to get a job -- no way for employers to contact them -- no way for any agency to contact them.

    This program is subsidized (not paid in full) through a fee program charged to service providers for that purpose. Taxpayer money is not involved.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    I have adopted the Dennis Miller view of welfare. I don't mind helping the helpless I just don't give a sh-- about the clueless. If you are able to work then you don't get it. If you're on it, you get drug-screened routinely.
    I agree, drug screening is a must, no different than most employers require in this country to hold a job for a paycheck. Why are they any different?
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Or you could take some time off as a social engineer and put some time in yourself to help others instead of forcing others to with your vote. There's nothing noble about pointing your finger at someone you envy and ordering them to give their money to someone else you pity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I voted to keep it. If there had been an option for "minor reform" I would have selected that instead.

    Now you made several assertions, apparently based on "common knowledge." I'd ask that you back up each of those assertions with some facts. Explain:

    1. How it is "WAY too easy to get."
    2. Define "many" and then show how there are too "many" on it and which of these "many" are "far from needing it."
    3. Define "enough to keep you alive," then show how welfare "pays too much."
    4. How "just keeping you alive" serves to help you get OFF welfare.
    5. Show that it "lasts too long" for current recipients.
    6. How long it is supposed to take to "get back on your feet;" especially if the amounts paid "only keep you alive."
    7. How having a limited use cellphone should not be a welfare "perk, when it is necessary for many things, not the least of which is getting a job?

    Most employers require a contact number to reach you in order to contact you for interviews, call to come to work, inquire if you are sick, etc. Why should access remain outside the hands of people you want to GET work in order to GET OFF welfare?

    Now as a general observation (not focused on the OP) I find it interesting that people want to do away with welfare programs because (short-sightedly) they never think they would ever need it.

    Do those of you who believe this honestly think everyone who is on welfare thought they would be needing welfare when they first started out? That the more than 40 million working poor who qualify for Food Stamps thought they would need to rely on food stamps? That Millions of working people would need to depend on Medicaid to cover costs of health care for their children or themselves that their paychecks can't?

    Perhaps people should really try to give a little thought to the reasons for the existence of welfare pragrams besides buying into the myth of "lazy welfare mommas" sucking up our tax dollars.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There has never been and ever be full employment. Get unemployment down to around 4%.
    True, that percentage is a turnover rate.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    Federal Welfare. Should we keep it the way it is, severely reform it or end it completely?
    Imo, it needs to be SEVERELY cut back, especially the disability portion of social welfare programs, because there is a great deal of abuse of the system, among that segment. We are going to have enough difficulty paying for the growing percentage of the population just now entering the social security benefit age group.
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