View Poll Results: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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  • End it

    15 18.99%
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    People would achieve much more of their potential if it weren't for welfare, or to quote you, we would have "better quality people", as people would be forced to be tougher, smarter, more resilient, and make better relationship decisions without that safety net.

    I'd say that the wealthy and industrious in our society are already paying the lions share of taxes supporting welfare, and you consider them greedy and selfish?

    What would it take for a better education system? We pump tons of money into it now and it just seems to be getting worse, meanwhile your average home schooled kid seems leaps and bounds smarter and better equipped for life in comparison.


    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    But, of course, we do not..
    Greed and selfishness rule the day !
    Man has failed...
    But things do not have to stay this way.
    Thru a really good education system, conditions can and will improve...
    Has anyone ever had a heart to heart discussion with a welfare recipient ??

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    People would achieve much more of their potential if it weren't for welfare, or to quote you, we would have "better quality people", as people would be forced to be tougher, smarter, more resilient, and make better relationship decisions without that safety net.

    I'd say that the wealthy and industrious in our society are already paying the lions share of taxes supporting welfare, and you consider them greedy and selfish?

    What would it take for a better education system? We pump tons of money into it now and it just seems to be getting worse, meanwhile your average home schooled kid seems leaps and bounds smarter and better equipped for life in comparison.
    Good afternoon, JC.

    : with your observations. I believe a home-schooled child knows his parents care whether or not he learns, and that makes a difference. It helps that they are getting undivided attention from their "teacher," too, and can proceed as fast, or slow, as they need to! .

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Afternoon Polgara

    I agree with you as well. Some people make the point that a home schooled child doesn't get enough social contact, but you couldn't meet more social kids than the 3 siblings who used to live next door to me, as they had tons of friends as well as being very smart and of good character.

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    Good afternoon, JC.

    : with your observations. I believe a home-schooled child knows his parents care whether or not he learns, and that makes a difference. It helps that they are getting undivided attention from their "teacher," too, and can proceed as fast, or slow, as they need to! .

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    But, of course, we do not..
    Greed and selfishness rule the day !
    Man has failed...
    But things do not have to stay this way.
    Thru a really good education system, conditions can and will improve...
    Has anyone ever had a heart to heart discussion with a welfare recipient ??
    That's a great doom and gloom perspective...mixed with a tad of idealism that is only a small portion of what would improve the economic well being of all Americans.

    My questions to you are: Have you ever had a heart to heart talk with children who are in families who are welfare recipients? Children are the most powerless minority on the planet. They can't speak for themselves.

    Have you had a heart to heart talk with an indigent elderly person who is a welfare recipient? The indigent elderly are the second most powerless minority on the planet.

    When I use the word "minority" - it means "politically".

    And - have you had a heart to heart talk with an adult welfare recipient? If so...why?

    Poverty is complex. Generational poverty is even more complex. Poverty is so complex that most people don't truly understand it...nor will they because it is a part of the human condition that extends beyond political implications, educational deficits, public perceptions. Understanding poverty would require a huge effort for all people to step out of their biased views, prejudices, and ignorance which hasn't happened by accident.

    Some people devote many years in higher education institutions to understand the dynamics of poverty with the hope that they can somehow be an effective change agent.

    Unless all facets of the problems can be identified and understood by most people...viable solutions will never be possible.

    Perhaps, as you said, man has failed. If man has failed, it hasn't happened by accident or circumstance of birth. It's happened because we are taught from a very young age that poverty is always somebody elses problem. We are taught that poverty is "always" a choice. We are taught that dishonesty and intentional malfeasance by individuals...is the root of poverty.

    Obviously, you believe those things...along with a lot of other people.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Yes we should just end everyone on welfare
    do it for the children
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    People would achieve much more of their potential if it weren't for welfare, or to quote you, we would have "better quality people", as people would be forced to be tougher, smarter, more resilient, and make better relationship decisions without that safety net.
    Yeah the less quality people would just die and get out of the way.
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    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Like they did before we had welfare in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Yeah the less quality people would just die and get out of the way.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    You say it like it wasn't the best thing ever?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Buddy of mine married a woman from Columbia back in the 90's
    she told of government troops being sent down to the dump to shoot people pickin' garbage
    burial was was simple.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Recipients should definitely be cleaning the streets and all that community work. I don't believe in money for nothing. However I don't believe in drug testing. I seen stats from States that do it where thousands of dollars are spent on testing and only a handful fail. Money is lost because of testing. It's a diminished return.

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