View Poll Results: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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  • Keep it, but it needs SEVERE reform.

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    15 18.99%
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Thread: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    If you do not provide incentive for people to achieve, they never will...
    So you want people to be forced to get off welfare? That's not the typical liberal platform and certainly not what this administration is pushing for. They want people to be permanently and desperately tied to government handouts forever.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So you want people to be forced to get off welfare? That's not the typical liberal platform and certainly not what this administration is pushing for. They want people to be permanently and desperately tied to government handouts forever.
    Welfare does nothing to promote individual growth of the individual. It only creates dependence...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Welfare does nothing to promote individual growth of the individual. It only creates dependence...
    Absolutely true, so why do liberals whine whenever we talk about ending entitlements and limiting welfare?
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Thank you for thanking me but I see you still didn't put the quote first. I had to put a post-it on my computer to get out of the (bad) habit. See how good I am about it now?

    Even temp work is hard to find (at least here). One of my tenants works for a temp agency and her boyfriend, strong as an Ox, can't find work (because he is as dumb as a box of rocks) on a regular basis.
    There you go, how's this quote?

    Here in Michigan, where the economy went into recession in 2000 and went steadily downhill until the national recession when we were one of the hardest hit states in the nation, I always found work. I own a very small landscaping business, but not big enough yet to support myself through the winter, so I've had to find a new job every winter, and every winter I have. I don't have a degree and am a landscaper, so you might imagine how my resume would look to a potential employer, especially assuming that I'll probably go back to landscaping in the spring.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    If you do not provide incentive for people to achieve, they never will...
    What a stupid thing to say. Everyone has incentive to achieve. It's part of being human. It's part of being alive. Poor people are not poor because of a lack of "incentive". They're poor because of a lack of resources to pursue their desires. And stripping them of what few resources they have isn't going to help anyone.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What a stupid thing to say. Everyone has incentive to achieve. It's part of being human. It's part of being alive. Poor people are not poor because of a lack of "incentive". They're poor because of a lack of resources to pursue their desires. And stripping them of what few resources they have isn't going to help anyone.
    LOL where is the incentive for an individual to get a HS education? What is the specific incentive for doing so. You do realize that even of those who do get one that many are functionally illiterate...
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    There you go, how's this quote?

    Here in Michigan, where the economy went into recession in 2000 and went steadily downhill until the national recession when we were one of the hardest hit states in the nation, I always found work. I own a very small landscaping business, but not big enough yet to support myself through the winter, so I've had to find a new job every winter, and every winter I have. I don't have a degree and am a landscaper, so you might imagine how my resume would look to a potential employer, especially assuming that I'll probably go back to landscaping in the spring.
    Good Job Sir! I shall call you Quotemaster.

    See, you already proved your abilities by operating your own business, however small. You had to get equipment, learn/know how to use it, advertise or approach clients etc. etc. If I were hiring, I'd be thrilled to get someone with ambition because that is a most valuable trait.

    Unfortunately, like the notorious "boyfriend" of my tenant, some people can't find their ass using both hands. They are too "slow" to assemble a business, too untalented to find much work. We're going to have a tough time replacing that housing boom. Labor intensive assembly type manufacturing is disappearing. The fact is that the outsourcing will only grow in the endless quest for greater profits. Some people are going to be left behind and unless we have welfare, you'll see people starving in the streets.

    Nobody "likes" welfare. And indeed there are some dishonest people who take advantage of this and I wish they would arrest them for fraud. But there are those who have no other choices, at least for now.

    I have another tenant, 74 or 75 years old. She had a "career" opening credit card payment envelopes for Citibank here. They shut it down because so few pay by mail anymore. She has looked for work, and desperately needs it. The house she lives in I bought from her in a short sale and I rent it to her for $550 a month. She struggles to pay me - her SS check is around $900 - but she does pay my bargain priced rent. I rally don't resent any help she gets by way of Medicaid or food stamps. She means well, she's just outdated.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Good Job Sir! I shall call you Quotemaster.

    See, you already proved your abilities by operating your own business, however small. You had to get equipment, learn/know how to use it, advertise or approach clients etc. etc. If I were hiring, I'd be thrilled to get someone with ambition because that is a most valuable trait.

    Unfortunately, like the notorious "boyfriend" of my tenant, some people can't find their ass using both hands. They are too "slow" to assemble a business, too untalented to find much work. We're going to have a tough time replacing that housing boom. Labor intensive assembly type manufacturing is disappearing. The fact is that the outsourcing will only grow in the endless quest for greater profits. Some people are going to be left behind and unless we have welfare, you'll see people starving in the streets.

    Nobody "likes" welfare. And indeed there are some dishonest people who take advantage of this and I wish they would arrest them for fraud. But there are those who have no other choices, at least for now.

    I have another tenant, 74 or 75 years old. She had a "career" opening credit card payment envelopes for Citibank here. They shut it down because so few pay by mail anymore. She has looked for work, and desperately needs it. The house she lives in I bought from her in a short sale and I rent it to her for $550 a month. She struggles to pay me - her SS check is around $900 - but she does pay my bargain priced rent. I rally don't resent any help she gets by way of Medicaid or food stamps. She means well, she's just outdated.
    What do you believe would happen to your examples if it weren't for welfare?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    What do you believe would happen to your examples if it weren't for welfare?
    Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?-images-1-jpegWelfare: Keep, Reform or End?-imgres-jpegWelfare: Keep, Reform or End?-images-2-jpeg

    Unfortunately, this. Or....Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?-imgres-jpeg

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?-images-1-jpegWelfare: Keep, Reform or End?-imgres-jpegWelfare: Keep, Reform or End?-images-2-jpeg

    Unfortunately, this. Or....Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?-imgres-jpeg
    Could these pictures be used to describe the U.S. before welfare?

    These pictures all look like they were taken in the welfare era.

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