View Poll Results: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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  • Keep it!

    19 24.05%
  • Keep it, but it needs SEVERE reform.

    38 48.10%
  • End it

    15 18.99%
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Thread: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    It along with all forms of commie-socialist income redistribution should be deemed un-American and should be annihilated with great speed & immediacy.
    That would allow U.S. pay down the public debt too zero in ~5 years and go back on the gold standard and nuke anyone that doesn't think like we do.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    So you don't think there could be another reason for humanity to want to grow in the future? There have been thousands of major advancements in human history, like automation, that haven't permanently unemployed people, but have freed people up to do other, bigger and better things for our advancement. Look at all of the inventions that have made life easier for us throughout the years by eliminating time taken to accomplish tasks. We'll simply find other things to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Automation and outsourcing increase every year. From 2000 to 2007 there were many construction jobs from the great housing farce of that era. When those jobs went away, it was hard to replace them. Even housing is becoming more kit-like, the progress in robots is pretty significant, they already help replace spies and what job do you get if you're a laid off spy? So, I doubt you'll ever see 3.8% again unless we have another national mental breakdown or are saved by a new pet rock.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    But, without welfare, business owners might have to actually start paying workers enough to live on. Maybe stop shipping jobs overseas and employ American workers, too. Maybe even train some of them. We can't have that, can we?
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    So you don't think there could be another reason for humanity to want to grow in the future? There have been thousands of major advancements in human history, like automation, that haven't permanently unemployed people, but have freed people up to do other, bigger and better things for our advancement. Look at all of the inventions that have made life easier for us throughout the years by eliminating time taken to accomplish tasks. We'll simply find other things to do.
    First, let me help you out by telling you that it is customary to put the quote first and the reply after. I used to do this also until somebody was kind enough to point that out to me. Just FYI.

    Nowhere did I argue against the growth of humanity or the progress of innovation. I could....but I didn't.

    Apparently there is, for now, a shortage of "other things to do". Talented people have little if any trouble finding work. However, there seem to be a substantial number of people, less talented perhaps, looking for work that they can not find.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    But, without welfare, business owners might have to actually start paying workers enough to live on. Maybe stop shipping jobs overseas and employ American workers, too. Maybe even train some of them. We can't have that, can we?
    Why not try it?
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Why not try it?
    It would be great, but I don't think it's likely to happen. The rhetoric is just to make desperate people more desperate, while continuing to ebb the middle class into the lower class, and the lower class into poverty.
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Appreciate the quote advice. I've heard that there are many talented people living at home because they can't find work. But as far as work for those with no skills, there are almost always temp jobs out there if nothing better. There are many who don't want to work lower paying jobs because it's easier to get government assistance.


    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    First, let me help you out by telling you that it is customary to put the quote first and the reply after. I used to do this also until somebody was kind enough to point that out to me. Just FYI.

    Nowhere did I argue against the growth of humanity or the progress of innovation. I could....but I didn't.

    Apparently there is, for now, a shortage of "other things to do". Talented people have little if any trouble finding work. However, there seem to be a substantial number of people, less talented perhaps, looking for work that they can not find.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Appreciate the quote advice. I've heard that there are many talented people living at home because they can't find work. But as far as work for those with no skills, there are almost always temp jobs out there if nothing better. There are many who don't want to work lower paying jobs because it's easier to get government assistance.
    Thank you for thanking me but I see you still didn't put the quote first. I had to put a post-it on my computer to get out of the (bad) habit. See how good I am about it now?

    Even temp work is hard to find (at least here). One of my tenants works for a temp agency and her boyfriend, strong as an Ox, can't find work (because he is as dumb as a box of rocks) on a regular basis.

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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It would be great, but I don't think it's likely to happen. The rhetoric is just to make desperate people more desperate, while continuing to ebb the middle class into the lower class, and the lower class into poverty.
    If you do not provide incentive for people to achieve, they never will...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    Federal Welfare. Should we keep it the way it is, severely reform it or end it completely?
    While I would like to see it ended I don't see a way to reasonably do this at this point. However, we need serious reforms. There are many people on welfare simply because they do not want to work.
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